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v-drive
07-11-2004, 07:02 AM
I have only seen excerts from this so called documentery but I have always thought of Moore as a waste of gravity so what he says doesn't interest me. what I will say is that I was watching Tim Russert yesterday and heard what the movie should have been named. "Insinuendo 9/11" It's a shame that insinuations can create so much havoc.
v-drive

Sportin' Wood
07-11-2004, 07:18 AM
I'll wait for video. I'm not going to give that pile of blubber $20, but I do believe in knowing your enemy.:D

LASERRAY
07-11-2004, 08:30 AM
Has anyone seen Bowling for Columbine? I watched it the other night and thought it was one of the funniest movies i'd ever seen. Way better then I expected. I haven't seen F/911 yet but will just for the comedic aspect. Say what you want about Michael Moore, but the guy makes me laugh.;)

LASERRAY
07-11-2004, 09:21 AM
I also think that the people that haven't seen F/911, and comment negatively about it because of someone else's opinion about the film are just as bad as the people that have seen it and allow their opinion to be swayed by the opinion of the filmmaker.;)
Make up your own mind.:cool:

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by v-drive
It's a shame that insinuations can create so much havoc.
v-drive
What's worse is that they can somehow be called "documentary"... WTF?

AzDon
07-11-2004, 11:18 AM
Contrary to what people are saying I believe (like theyd know)I do not believe nor would I represent Fahrenheit 911 as completely accurate. I'm smart enough to know that selective editing is a comedic art form. The contents in it's parts are clearly not intended to be taken seriously. Superimposing cabinetmembers faces on the actors in the Bonanza intro? how do you take that seriously? The footage of the devastation to military and families is dead serious, however, and should make the Bush administration squirm because Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism until we put ground troops there and attracted the terrorists. Also, the segment regarding the Bush/Bin Laden connection through the Carlyle group deserves complete investigation and disclosure before the election. People need to lighten up and just see this movie for it's entertainment value and discount it's message if you want. Nobody's mind is going to be changed unless they are open-minded to begin with and even then I'd suggest verifying the facts.

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 11:21 AM
All opinions AZ all opinions...
And the stated intention of michael moore is to unseat this president. You have to consider the source of this BS.

LASERRAY
07-11-2004, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
And the stated intention of michael moore is to unseat this president. That was evident in Bowling for columbine also. He has a big hard-on to remove Bush. And yet he states that the Democratic Party is a joke. I've watched Michael Moore for years and I think he's more of a Reformist than a Communist IMO. Watch his spew and then decide.

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by LASERRAY
That was evident in Bowling for columbine also. He has a big hard-on to remove Bush. And yet he states that the Democratic Party is a joke. I've watched Michael Moore for years and I think he's more of a Reformist than a Communist IMO. Watch his spew and then decide.
He is a Negativist IMO. Nothings right... everythings wrong... evil corporations... little guys in struggling unions trying to get their little slice of the American pie. He aspouses a socialist agenda in every piece of TV, cinema or book that he spews... cleverly disguised as "concern". I have 0 tolerance for his negativist rhetoric, and I am pissed that a Canadian Film company produces his stuff...

HM
07-11-2004, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Sportin' Wood
I'll wait for video. I'm not going to give that pile of blubber $20, but I do believe in knowing your enemy.:D
I'm which you.:cool:

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 11:41 AM
Originally posted by LASERRAY
I also think that the people that haven't seen F/911, and comment negatively about it because of someone else's opinion about the film are just as bad as the people that have seen it and allow their opinion to be swayed by the opinion of the filmmaker.;)
Make up your own mind.:cool:
You see, I have principles. One of my principles is that I will not support someone I despise. I despise Michael Moore... and everything that I have seen of his. I despise him personally and his politics more than anything else.
I did not find bowling for columbine all that funny when it was on showtime sometime ago. I forced myself to watch it... and the message was less than veiled.
I have made my judgements on Farenheit 911 on the merits of talking to others (sister and brother who loved it btw... because they hate bush), clips and reviews. I will not knowingly give that POS 1 penny if I can help it.

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 11:50 AM
Oh yeah, and look who one of the production companies associated with the movie is...
Lionsgate Films (http://www.fahrenheit911.com/about/credits/)
Damn Cannucks!:D

LASERRAY
07-11-2004, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
He is a Negativist IMO. Nothings right... everythings wrong... evil corporations... little guys in struggling unions trying to get their little slice of the American pie. He aspouses a socialist agenda in every piece of TV, cinema or book that he spews... cleverly disguised as "concern". I have 0 tolerance for his negativist rhetoric, and I am pissed that a Canadian Film company produces his stuff... O so true Doc. Especially the Socialistic agenda that he aspouses. He made that quite clear in B.F.C. when he was filming those segments in Canada.
Again, I take his views with a grain of salt.
You have to admit though doc, when he was standing in the bank holding-up the free rifle that he got for opening a CD and asking the question : "Am I the only one that thinks that handing-out guns in a bank is a bad idea?" That was hysterical!:D

LASERRAY
07-11-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
Oh yeah, and look who one of the production companies associated with the movie is...
Lionsgate Films (http://www.fahrenheit911.com/about/credits/)
Damn Cannucks!:D WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :D

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by LASERRAY
"Am I the only one that thinks that handing-out guns in a bank is a bad idea?" That was hysterical!:D
I must admit I did snicker there too...:p

Dr. Eagle
07-11-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by LASERRAY
WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :D
Its a socialist conspiracy... with all that looming government red tape a paper cut is inevitable so WE are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.fedex.com/us/about/advertising/tvads/dramawm.html?link=4)

angry dad
07-11-2004, 07:59 PM
i do truely hope that people are not that STUPED to fall for that FAT A$$, ANTI AMERICAN, PILE OF FRENCH LOVIN............................................ wake up!!! it's all about a LIBERAL and HIS cowardly points of veiw! he takes a FEW interveiws and TWISTS. THEM to make us beleive this is what is real!!there are a lot of weak minded people that fall for his diseption!! im voting for bush!!!

LASERRAY
07-12-2004, 08:41 PM
Bump For Doc.:D
( I just thought we should put all our eggs in one basket):D
P.S. - I'm Voting For Bush Too!:p

Dr. Eagle
07-12-2004, 08:44 PM
Thanks Ray, this thread deserves a good ol Michael Moore publicity poster too:
http://www.iowapresidentialwatch.com/images/cartoons/MMClubLg.JPG

MagicMtnDan
07-12-2004, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
People need to lighten up and just see this movie for it's entertainment value and discount it's message if you want.
OK Don, I'll give you another chance.
Assumptions:
1. A movie just like Fartenhard 9/11 is made by Miguel Moore (Michael Moore's right wing cousin).
2. But this movie attacks John Kerry and John Edwards and Bill Clinton.
3. This movie presents the many facts about John Kerry's liberalism (including him being the MOST liberal senator in the senate) and his voting record but twists it because it's biased.
4. This movie attacks John Kerry's war record and his purple hearts (purple bandaids) and questions his service record and heroism.
5. This movie attacks John Edwards and his trial lawyer record and talks about how he's made tens of millions of dollars on cases like cerebral palsy (look it up).
6. Yada yada yada (more biased bs attacking liberals, Democrats, etc.).
So, you gonna keep on posting on this Web site about how everyone MUST see THIS movie? You gonna go on and on about how people HAVE to see it to find out the facts for themselves (or they're ignorant)?
What if I told you the movie was bankrolled by Rush Limbaugh and distributed by Shawn Hannity? You still gonna rant and rave about how great a movie it is?
What if I told you that it's a propaganda film?
Yeah, I know this movie doesn't exist. But one just like it attacking President Bush exists and you're supporting the hell out of it. Do you get it yet? Nah, didn't think so.

LASERRAY
07-12-2004, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
People need to lighten up and just see this movie for it's entertainment value and discount it's message if you want. Nobody's mind is going to be changed unless they are open-minded to begin with and even then I'd suggest verifying the facts. I'd agree with that. But not the part about open-minded people having their opinion's changed. I'm open minded, I'd go see the movie, but no matter what I see on the silver screen, I'm still going to vote for Bush. I'd see the movie for the entertainment aspect and that's all.

HighRoller
07-13-2004, 12:44 AM
AZDon, I thought we were "ignorant" because we didn't see the movie before voting? that would imply it's a valuable source of info, but now you say it's entertainment. WTF? even you know it's BS!
The soldiers' families who are devastated? First of all, who should be more ashamed? You find no fault with Michael Moore for cashing in on a person's grief to advance his agenda? Secondly, lots of families have felt the grief of losing a family member. How many have been so lucky as to know that family member died proudly serving their country?
I think family members who run to the nearest camera and make political statements in the wake of such a loss only denegrate that person's memory. You act as if Bush forced them into the military. They volunteered, and when you're in the military there's a good chance you might have to actually do your job someday. Just to set the record straight, your job in the military is to defend our country's interests with your life, if necessary, not deliver pizza to Kosovar refugees wearing a UN patch like Clinton ordered. In this duty you might get killed. Freedom is not free.
But idiots like Moore act as if any death that occurs in combat is a travesty. Obviously he hasn't studied the bloody battles of WWII. But then again, we won that war so he's not interested.

Jeanyus
07-13-2004, 05:57 AM
I can't criticise the movie, because I have not seen it. But I do know what Moore is about. He made the movie to get richer, and all the controversy gives him free publicity. If I do see the movie I'm going to do it true liberal style, and downloaod a bootleg copy from the internet. It is a movie, and is no more beleivable than Spiderman, or Terminator.