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We need to get off fossil fuel anyway - it will eventually run out or become so expensive only czars can use it. Forget all the old bullshit and move forward. We haven't built refineries because people don't want them in their cities. We haven't built nuclear power plants because people don't want them in their cities. Neither were Presidential policies. Shell oil would only add 2% to our reserves and would cost a trillion to renew. An administration that has liberally spent more money and created more debt than any other administration in history (nor it's supporters) can't really talk about economy or debt. You're lucky if we don't deport you to Mexico and keep the Mexicans. At this point it's best you shut up and nod your head a lot.
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We need to get off fossil fuel anyway - it will eventually run out or become so expensive only czars can use it. Forget all the old bullshit and move forward. We haven't built refineries because people don't want them in their cities. We haven't built nuclear power plants because people don't want them in their cities. Neither were Presidential policies. Shell oil would only add 2% to our reserves and would cost a trillion to renew. An administration that has liberally spent more money and created more debt than any other administration in history (nor it's supporters) can't really talk about economy or debt. You're lucky if we don't deport you to Mexico and keep the Mexicans. At this point it's best you shut up and nod your head a lot.
Apparently the hot air relief valve in your headcovering needs expunged again so here ya are, blowing more hot air with little content. Lecturing is a wonderful thing if you have a better plan, but per ususal you just drop by to throw out idiotic insults and statemnets with no depth.
Tell us what altenative sources you have in mind that would have an immediate effect "Oh Wiseasse One"?????? Or should we all just sit down and do nothing until some "Genius" drops down from the heavens with Dilithium Crystals or a Perpetual Energy Machine.
Technology is advanicng rapidly but not rapidly enough to stop the whining blowhards pushing bad legislation.
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How are you going to be my latex salesman if you can't even keep up with a thread?
The solution is simple, we invest in alternate energy resources and develop them. When you're done throwing away over a billion a day we could probably do it with just the interest that money would have earned. I did not vote for Bush so I guess I am a little better than you who did. However, you can redeem yourself by being less an idiot in the future. Help your kids out, buy into the future, not the "today."
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How are you going to be my latex salesman if you can't even keep up with a thread?
The solution is simple, we invest in alternate energy resources and develop them. When you're done throwing away over a billion a day we could probably do it with just the interest that money would have earned. I did not vote for Bush so I guess I am a little better than you who did. However, you can redeem yourself by being less an idiot in the future. Help your kids out, buy into the future, not the "today."
And these "Alternate Energy Sources" are??????
So what are you doing, feeding steroids to squirrels so they can spin bigger wheels?
Once again hollow banter.
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And these "Alternate Energy Sources" are??????
So what are you doing, feeding steroids to squirrels so they can spin bigger wheels?
Once again hollow banter.
You've never heard of battery power, solar power, nuclear power, wind power, hydroelectric power, biodiesel, gasification, geothermal energy, photovoltaics, steam, tidal energy, ethanol, or pedal power (which you deserve)?
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There is an older guy up the street, who helped me with my Warlock, named Amos Satterly. Amos used to build some serious HP blower motors for drag boats. I learned some stuff from Amos. Not sure what made me think of Amos???
Famous Amos......Damn, have not heard that name for a couple of decades. Just for the record here, IMO, he ranks right up there with Keith Black, Ed Pink, Austin Coil,(sp) Lee Beard, Dale Armstrong, Alan Johnson, and a host of other very sucessful pioneers of high performance motorsports.....A list of things he hasn't done would be alot easier to compile than a list of things he has.........Takes me back to Saturday nights at "the Beach", fogged in and fuelers doing things that seemed to be impossible.......MP
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We need to get off fossil fuel anyway - it will eventually run out or become so expensive only czars can use it. Forget all the old bullshit and move forward. We haven't built refineries because people don't want them in their cities. We haven't built nuclear power plants because people don't want them in their cities. Neither were Presidential policies. Shell oil would only add 2% to our reserves and would cost a trillion to renew. An administration that has liberally spent more money and created more debt than any other administration in history (nor it's supporters) can't really talk about economy or debt. You're lucky if we don't deport you to Mexico and keep the Mexicans. At this point it's best you shut up and nod your head a lot.
We need to get off fossil fuel anyway
Are you still under the impression that crude oil comes from dinosaurs and plant life? Do some research on Dr. Thomas Gold (Cornell University) and Dr. J.F. Kenny (Gas Resources Corporations). A short cut might be an article from WorldNetDaily. Edit: Dr. Gold's book is "The Deep Hot Biosphere"
I'll give you one quote " competent physicists,chemists,chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have know that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century"
We haven't built refineries because people don't want them in their cities. We haven't built nuclear power plants because people don't want them in their cities
So do you have an alternative or do you just bitch and moan? I find it interesting that people like algore can't find it in themselves to support Nuclear power when it is one of the cleanest powers available?
Some years back in San Diego County in San Marcos there was a planned Trash to Energy plant. What a good use for trash burn it and make energy. But holy crap did the lefty wackos come out of the woodwork.
I'm not a big fan of the French, but 80% of their domestic energy comes from their Nuclear power plants. I think that is a good thing. We should be so smart.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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We need to get off fossil fuel anyway
Are you still under the impression that crude oil comes from dinosaurs and plant life? Do some research on Dr. Thomas Gold (Cornell University) and Dr. J.F. Kenny (Gas Resources Corporations). A short cut might be an article from WorldNetDaily.
I'll give you one quote " competent physicists,chemists,chemical engineers and men knowledgeable of thermodynamics have know that natural petroleum does not evolve from biological materials since the last quarter of the 19th century"
We haven't built refineries because people don't want them in their cities. We haven't built nuclear power plants because people don't want them in their cities
So do you have an alternative or do you just bitch and moan? I find it interesting that people like algore can't find it in themselves to support Nuclear power when it is one of the cleanest powers available?
Some years back in San Diego County in San Marcos there was a planned Trash to Energy plant. What a good use for trash burn it and make energy. But holy crap did the lefty wackos come out of the woodwork.
I'm not a big fan of the French, but 80% of their domestic energy comes from their Nuclear power plants. I think that is a good thing. We should be so smart.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
I live in Ames, Iowa and we have a trash to energy type plant. Go figure there is no landfill here yet we have electricity.
How is that not a good idea???
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Famous Amos......Damn, have not heard that name for a couple of decades. Just for the record here, IMO, he ranks right up there with Keith Black, Ed Pink, Austin Coil,(sp) Lee Beard, Dale Armstrong, Alan Johnson, and a host of other very sucessful pioneers of high performance motorsports.....A list of things he hasn't done would be alot easier to compile than a list of things he has.........Takes me back to Saturday nights at "the Beach", fogged in and fuelers doing things that seemed to be impossible.......MP
Ray, the last time I was at the shop was about two years ago. As I reacll his Son was doing most of the work, but Amos was still kicking. He's got to be getting close to eighty. What a great guy and amazing engine builder. As a favor to a mutual friend at a Chevy dealer Amos assembled a 502/502 and set it in my Warlock, back in Jan 99.
I live in Ames, Iowa and we have a trash to energy type plant. Go figure there is no landfill here yet we have electricity.
How is that not a good idea???
Shit, I am known as the class lefty, and this seems to be a great way of producing energy. Imagine that :D
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I'm pro nuclear power. Hell, I'm pro burning the shit out gas while I can afford it. However, anti nuclear power has NOT been a presidential platform from either side. Lefty whackos do not have to come out of the woodwork to sideline nuclear power and petroleum processing plants. As soon as a bill comes up for one in your neighborhood, watch how fast everyone over the age of eighteen comes out of nowhere and votes against it. It's always a good idea, long as it doesn't affect you. Hence the curbing of progress on those two fronts.
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You've never heard of battery power, solar power, nuclear power, wind power, hydroelectric power, biodiesel, gasification, geothermal energy, photovoltaics, steam, tidal energy, ethanol, or pedal power (which you deserve)?
And here I'd have thought you had something original. I should have known.:rolleyes:
And where haven't you heard, noticed, tried to attain coherent awareness of, or whatever that your list seems to be the heavy focus of scientists worldwide???????????
Just back to beat you gums per usual........
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And here I'd have thought you had something original. I should have known.:rolleyes:
And where haven't you heard, noticed, tried to attain coherent awareness of, or whatever that your list seems to be the heavy focus of scientists worldwide???????????
Just back to beat you gums per usual........
You buddy is wearing off of you.
:confused: :confused: :confused: Say what?
I would be willing to bet that Poster isn't involved in Carbon Offsets, and I can say neither am I. Imagine that.
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And here I'd have thought you had something original. I should have known.:rolleyes:
And where haven't you heard, noticed, tried to attain coherent awareness of, or whatever that your list seems to be the heavy focus of scientists worldwide???????????
Just back to beat you gums per usual........
Conversations with you are a bit of a circle jerk. If your wife asks you for sex do you respond "you don't know what the hell you want you crazy bitch, get back with me when you clear that pond you call a brain?" I answered your question. When you get through showing off for the rest of the brain trust get back with me and we'll discuss your journey back into the rational world. You'll only have to lie about voting for Bush for a decade or two. ;)
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Hey, how about a collective round of applause for all the treehugging greenies out there that want to keep us in the stone age of power production.......Saving us from ourselves once again.........Of course we have to give credit to the founding member of Greenpeace, algore..........MP
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You buddy is wearing off of you.
:confused: :confused: :confused: Say what?
I would be willing to bet that Poster isn't involved in Carbon Offsets, and I can say neither am I. Imagine that.
Poster is actually John Kerry.
You're going to have to 'splain your first sentence there "Ricky". It didn't quite translate.:)
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I live in Ames, Iowa and we have a trash to energy type plant. Go figure there is no landfill here yet we have electricity.
How is that not a good idea???
Get this. The Energy Plant was killed because the Clean Air wackos didn't like it. As an extra benefit of the plant they were going to have a small desalination water plant connected to it. San Diego County imports more that 90% of our water needs. If the desalination plant worked they could pump water from the Pacific Ocean and use it to create steam for the power plant and as a by product produce drinking water. But the enviro wackos killed it.:mad:
Sleeper CP
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Conversations with you are a bit of a circle jerk. If your wife asks you for sex do you respond "you don't know what the hell you want you crazy bitch, get back with me when you clear that pond you call a brain?" I answered your question. When you get through showing off for the rest of the brain trust get back with me and we'll discuss your journey back into the rational world. You'll only have to lie about voting for Bush for a decade or two. ;)
At least since you've been away you kinda figured out Sex involves women. Too bad you you've become so attached to animals and inflatables you can't take advantage of this new found discovery.
Bush has no effect either way on the energy sector in the long run, just something for you to whine about. The problems have been growing since the industrial revolution started and idiots like yourself don't want to admit we are working constantly on new technologies and the R&D needs to be funded rather than taxed like your "Hopeful Candidates" suggest.
Now go lay back down in front of the trailer park and get back to being a speed bump. And don't you blame Bush cause it hurts everytime a redneck pickup runs over ya'......:devil:
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At least since you've been away you kinda figured out Sex involves women. Too bad you you've become so attached to animals and inflatables you can't take advantage of this new found discovery.
Bush has no effect either way on the energy sector in the long run, just something for you to whine about. The problems have been growing since the industrial revolution started and idiots like yourself don't want to admit we are working constantly on new technologies and the R&D needs to be funded rather than taxed like your "Hopeful Candidates" suggest.
Now go lay back down in front of the trailer park and get back to being a speed bump. And don't you blame Bush cause it hurts everytime a redneck pickup runs over ya'......:devil:
So it's back to king of the insults. Act my age would ya. :D :D
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Nuclear power plants and hydrogen cars should be the way to go. The public has a lack of knowledge on how safe a "new" nuclear plant is and I would vote to put one in my town no problem. From what i understand we even utilize the waste now and no emissions.
As bag face said there is tons of money to be made here, it's always about the money.
Whether or not we will run out of oil is really irrelevant at this point. Look at who controls it and the price. Do we in the USA really want this. I have maybe God willing another 50 years on this planet, but my daughters another 90 or so and I want not only the planet here, but the red, white and blue also..flourishing.
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At least since you've been away you kinda figured out Sex involves women. Too bad you you've become so attached to animals and inflatables you can't take advantage of this new found discovery.
Bush has no effect either way on the energy sector in the long run, just something for you to whine about. The problems have been growing since the industrial revolution started and idiots like yourself don't want to admit we are working constantly on new technologies and the R&D needs to be funded rather than taxed like your "Hopeful Candidates" suggest.
Now go lay back down in front of the trailer park and get back to being a speed bump. And don't you blame Bush cause it hurts everytime a redneck pickup runs over ya'......:devil:
I never said tax. Neither did any candidates. There's plenty of money that can be directed towards alternate energy sources. Kinda funny how you have no problem spending 35 billion dollars a month on a non renewable war, and you don't mind borrowing more money than any nation on earth, you don't mind giving away our resources such as the stock market and american ports, you don't mind a blind eye to illegal immigration but yet, this pesky energy thing for the future gets under your skin?
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I never said tax. Neither did any candidates. There's plenty of money that can be directed towards alternate energy sources. Kinda funny how you have no problem spending 35 billion dollars a month on a non renewable war, and you don't mind borrowing more money than any nation on earth, you don't mind giving away our resources such as the stock market and american ports, you don't mind a blind eye to illegal immigration but yet, this pesky energy thing for the future gets under your skin?
Your fat legged fraulein candidate wants to tax hell out of oil company profits. She wants "her" government to take the money for research. Oh yeah I forgot, you don't favor private sector research in the socialist Utopia.
Other than that point, the remaider of your rambling is typical low content spewing driven by your hatred of reality and those that actually run the world.
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Nuclear power plants and hydrogen cars should be the way to go. The public has a lack of knowledge on how safe a "new" nuclear plant is and I would vote to put one in my town no problem. From what i understand we even utilize the waste now and no emissions.
As bag face said there is tons of money to be made here, it's always about the money.
Whether or not we will run out of oil is really irrelevant at this point. Look at who controls it and the price. Do we in the USA really want this. I have maybe God willing another 50 years on this planet, but my daughters another 90 or so and I want not only the planet here, but the red, white and blue also..flourishing.
Good post Bigg. I completely agree. If I have another 30 years I will have done well. But I have a 26 year old Son who is planning on child or two, and I too would like my Son and my grandchildren to enjoy the planet and the USA as I have.
Your fat legged fraulein candidate wants to tax hell out of oil company profits. She wants "her" government to take the money for research. Oh yeah I forgot, you don't favor private sector research in the socialist Utopia.
Other than that point, the remaider of your rambling is typical low content spewing driven by your hatred of reality and those that actually run the world.
What Tex, the Oil Companies aren't making enough profit? Do you expect the Oil Companies to invest in alternate energy? Do you expect Oil Companies to support better Eco cars? Do you expect the Oil Companies do do anything other than make as much profit as possible? Expecting Big Oil do anything other than the status quo, is similar to expecting GW Bush to be able to pronounce the word "Nuclear" It ain't gonna happen.
If you have it your way, nothing will change with regard to kicking our addiction to foreign oil, better fuel economy, less pollution, etc. etc. etc. BTW, my little Honda Civic SI, as you called it my Eco status symbol car, will smoke your big tank SUV across the railroad tracks, from 0-60, 1/4 mile and 60-0, and get me over 30 mpg on the highway, not to mention fill-ups, even at CA's $3.50 a gallon price for Premium, at under $40.00. :D :D :D
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This graph was interesting. Historical levels of CO2 have been good for the planet. Plants seem to like more CO2. More plants add more fuel for animals. In fact, some of the ice ages had 4 times more CO2 than there is today. With todays doomsday predictions, shouldn't the planet have been burning up? The more likely suspects are sun activity, earth axis cycle variability and orbital distance cycles.
Source:www.geocraft.com
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Pa...s/image277.gif
Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya -- 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).
Temperature after C.R. Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
CO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)
There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example:
During the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 1800 ppm or about 4.7 times higher than today.
The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Cambrian Period, nearly 7000 ppm -- about 18 times higher than today.
The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today. To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age while at the same time CO2 concentrations then were nearly 12 times higher than today-- 4400 ppm.
According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.
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Your fat legged fraulein candidate wants to tax hell out of oil company profits. She wants "her" government to take the money for research. Oh yeah I forgot, you don't favor private sector research in the socialist Utopia.
Other than that point, the remaider of your rambling is typical low content spewing driven by your hatred of reality and those that actually run the world.
Texan, you ignorant slut. Exxon could fund global research with their catering bill. To hell with them paying a little extra tax for the good of us making them vastly wealthy. Maybe they can move their traiterous ass to Dubai with Halliburton? That'll be quite a flight for you to suck them off but, you'll live.
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Texan, you ignorant slut. Exxon could fund global research with their catering bill. To hell with them paying a little extra tax for the good of us making them vastly wealthy. Maybe they can move their traiterous ass to Dubai with Halliburton? That'll be quite a flight for you to suck them off but, you'll live.
Dumb ass fcking communist.
Big evil oil makes a 10% profit, if they raise taxes on the oil companies the CONSUMER pays it, imbecile.
The tax burden on gasoline already far exceeds evil oils profits.
What other kind of logic can you expect from some left wing loon that believes in communism.
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General info for the nitwit leftists.
Hydrogen fuel cells are a minimum of twenty years away for autos, my brother is in the business.
Solar, not affordable.
Wind, not affordable
Batteries? Where the hell do think the energy comes to charge them?:rolleyes:
Nuke, GREAT source of clean energy, not a tree hugging lib homo that will let that happen though.
New refinery? Great break out 20 billion to satisfy you eco freaks.
Drill ANWR? YES!
Drill offshore? YES
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Texan, you ignorant slut. Exxon could fund global research with their catering bill. To hell with them paying a little extra tax for the good of us making them vastly wealthy. Maybe they can move their traiterous ass to Dubai with Halliburton? That'll be quite a flight for you to suck them off but, you'll live.
This is why we love to debate an elitist windbag. All his wonderful adventures back into the past where he dreamed he was on stage with the SNL crew. I remember the skit where you made your only appearance that didn't get thrown on the cutting room floor like your peasized brain did when the stork brought you out into the daylight. Belushie(sp) was the Hulk and you were the turd he left behind in the crushed toilet bowl.
Why will Big Oil spend money on R&D if their profits are "stolen"? This is going no where since we now will be back on the thieving oil companies and how they are putting it to us.
Tell us "Legend in Your Own Mind" who sets the prices?
Own any oil stock? If you don't, why? If you do quit bitchin', it's capitalism.
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Good post Bigg. I completely agree. If I have another 30 years I will have done well. But I have a 26 year old Son who is planning on child or two, and I too would like my Son and my grandchildren to enjoy the planet and the USA as I have.
What Tex, the Oil Companies aren't making enough profit? Do you expect the Oil Companies to invest in alternate energy? Do you expect Oil Companies to support better Eco cars? Do you expect the Oil Companies do do anything other than make as much profit as possible? Expecting Big Oil do anything other than the status quo, is similar to expecting GW Bush to be able to pronounce the word "Nuclear" It ain't gonna happen.
If you have it your way, nothing will change with regard to kicking our addiction to foreign oil, better fuel economy, less pollution, etc. etc. etc. BTW, my little Honda Civic SI, as you called it my Eco status symbol car, will smoke your big tank SUV across the railroad tracks, from 0-60, 1/4 mile and 60-0, and get me over 30 mpg on the highway, not to mention fill-ups, even at CA's $3.50 a gallon price for Premium, at under $40.00. :D :D :D
The above highlighted is a false statement. The oil price debate is old and doesn't need to be rehashed. We've been there before. Y'all just keep dropping from your spiel the gains technology is making to change things for the better. Hybrid SUV's are here, and will continue to replace current gas guzzlers. And don't fall for the BS that Big Oil isn't trying to produce more efficentcy from the ground to the tank. It's happening everyday inspite of the bureaucracy that is your real enemy.
Exxon and Haliburton aren't the enemy in spite of what the Utopian Fool thinks.
Al Gore, Joe Wilson, Bill Clinton and now the "Bagheaded Boob". Real credible crew you run with.......:rolleyes: :devil:
Nothing wrong with a Civic SI, just not practical for what I need to do. Besides unlike you, I have no fears when crossing the rails.:D
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General info for the nitwit leftists.
Hydrogen fuel cells are a minimum of twenty years away for autos, my brother is in the business.
Solar, not affordable.
Wind, not affordable
Batteries? Where the hell do think the energy comes to charge them?:rolleyes:
Nuke, GREAT source of clean energy, not a tree hugging lib homo that will let that happen though.
New refinery? Great break out 20 billion to satisfy you eco freaks.
Drill ANWR? YES!
Drill offshore? YES
Yes and the Trillion eight billion barrels of recoverable Oil in one Oil shale deposit only, we most likely have around 3+ trillion in various forms not mentioning Coal about 30% of the worlds total that can be made into fuel.
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The above highlighted is a false statement. The oil price debate is old and doesn't need to be rehashed. We've been there before. Y'all just keep dropping from your spiel the gains technology is making to change things for the better. Hybrid SUV's are here, and will continue to replace current gas guzzlers. And don't fall for the BS that Big Oil isn't trying to produce more efficentcy from the ground to the tank. It's happening everyday inspite of the bureaucracy that is your real enemy.
Exxon and Haliburton aren't the enemy in spite of what the Utopian Fool thinks.
Al Gore, Joe Wilson, Bill Clinton and now the "Bagheaded Boob". Real credible crew you run with.......:rolleyes: :devil:
Nothing wrong with a Civic SI, just not practical for what I need to do. Besides unlike you, I have no fears when crossing the rails.:D
When did you read me praising Gore or Wilson.
I don't think any big business is the enemy. However, at least I am realistic with my expectations. Business is business.
More efficiency from the ground to the tank, benefits Oil. More efficiency from the tank to the wheels, is not.
I too support Nuclear power plants. More solar more wind, and less fossil is 20 years away only if that where it's placed on the to do list.
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When did you read me praising Gore or Wilson.
I don't think any big business is the enemy. However, at least I am realistic with my expectations. Business is business.
More efficiency from the ground to the tank, benefits Oil. More efficiency from the tank to the wheels, is not.
I too support Nuclear power plants. More solar more wind, and less fossil is 20 years away only if that where it's placed on the to do list.
What part of capitalism don't you understand?
It's more than twenty years away according to the people in the business. What? Are you going to have cankle girl wave her wand and POOF it's all wonderful and profitable? Socialists are fools.:rolleyes:
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When did you read me praising Gore or Wilson.
I don't think any big business is the enemy. However, at least I am realistic with my expectations. Business is business.
More efficiency from the ground to the tank, benefits Oil. More efficiency from the tank to the wheels, is not.
I too support Nuclear power plants. More solar more wind, and less fossil is 20 years away only if that where it's placed on the to do list.
Never said the word "Praise". More of an issue of using their statements, actions, et al to defend your position and covering their actions.
The efficiency of Big Oil to improve technolgies including the environmental issues concerning recovery, refining, and distribution damn well benefits you if you are as you claim concerned with the environment. Efficiency also reduces operating costs in accord with regulations of course. If you think many governmental decisions are just and quotas of various types they randomly throw in place help either the environment or the people's pocketbook, you are mistaken. Where do these Pols get the right information to pass good legislation? You seem to be quite a stickler for the view of "experts" to rule in decision making, but on this issue the "stickle is fickle".
Traditionally from what I see, hear, and read every day is a Liberal socialist leaning group of politicians that will do everything in their power to stifle big business with unfair legislation. From many of your recent statements of what's wrong in general and the consequences of jobs and business moving offshore coupled with unfair trade favoring China for example, I really am confused how you can support these poilticians.
As far as the second half of the statement, tank to wheels, I'm missing your meaning.
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Never said the word "Praise". More of an issue of using their statements, actions, et al to defend your position and covering their actions.
The efficiency of Big Oil to improve technolgies including the environmental issues concerning recovery, refining, and distribution damn well benefits you if you are as you claim concerned with the environment. Efficiency also reduces operating costs in accord with regulations of course. If you think many governmental decisions are just and quotas of various types they randomly throw in place help either the environment or the people's pocketbook, you are mistaken. Where do these Pols get the right information to pass good legislation? You seem to be quite a stickler for the view of "experts" to rule in decision making, but on this issue the "stickle is fickle".
Traditionally from what I see, hear, and read every day is a Liberal socialist leaning group of politicians that will do everything in their power to stifle big business with unfair legislation. From many of your recent statements of what's wrong in general and the consequences of jobs and business moving offshore coupled with unfair trade favoring China for example, I really am confused how you can support these poilticians.
As far as the second half of the statement, tank to wheels, I'm missing your meaning.
Tex, there is no need to try to spin things with me. You should know better by now.
Regardless of all the efforts by Oil to be efficient, the price and profits levels remain egregious.
Seems to me that the profits for heating oil gasoline must be in line with public necessities such as electricity, water etc. Recent oil company profits have come at the expense of the American consumer, and are outrageously high. Of course you will say, this is how capitalism works. Supply and demand, etc, yada yada yada. I don't buy this with necessities
While this may be the case, the only way for the American people to avoid being bent over any further, is move away from oil related products. I am aware that this easier said than done, but it needs to be done.
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You've never heard of battery power, solar power, nuclear power, wind power, hydroelectric power, biodiesel, gasification, geothermal energy, photovoltaics, steam, tidal energy, ethanol, or pedal power (which you deserve)?
Aside from nuclear the one you forgot and probably the best is Hydrogen Fusion. Solar and battery just cannot be replentished quick enough to be of much use for transportation.Funny how nobody commented on my post about the earths orbit. I guess since it is proven science and can easily be the cause of global warming we should just ignore it. I guess just like Gore and the other alarmists it makes too much sense so just ignore it and continue to cry the sky is fall all the while cashing in all the way to the bank.
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Aside from nuclear the one you forgot and probably the best is Hydrogen Fusion. Solar and battery just cannot be replentished quick enough to be of much use for transportation.Funny how nobody commented on my post about the earths orbit. I guess since it is proven science and can easily be the cause of global warming we should just ignore it. I guess just like Gore and the other alarmists it makes too much sense so just ignore it and continue to cry the sky is fall all the while cashing in all the way to the bank.
AzM, a very large percentage in this forum agree that global warming is a joke. Exactly what percentage, I can't tell you, but most......And most are aware of this cycle, warming, cooling, warming, cooling, etc etc. It is only a few algore fans that keep shouting the sky is falling. I, for one was aware of the earths orbital cycle, as well as the suns 11 year cycle of surface changes. To attempt to use 50 or 100 years of climate change as a guideline is like trying to say it rained here 5 years ago on Nov 12th, why didn't it rain here today?........Oh, global warming must be to blame....I say BS....And those that are screaming about this today will be screaming about a coming Ice Age in the near future...........I don't know which morons are worse, those that spout it, or those that swallow it............MP
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Tex, there is no need to try to spin things with me. You should know better by now.
Regardless of all the efforts by Oil to be efficient, the price and profits levels remain egregious.
Seems to me that the profits for heating oil gasoline must be in line with public necessities such as electricity, water etc. Recent oil company profits have come at the expense of the American consumer, and are outrageously high. Of course you will say, this is how capitalism works. Supply and demand, etc, yada yada yada. I don't buy this with necessities
While this may be the case, the only way for the American people to avoid being bent over any further, is move away from oil related products. I am aware that this easier said than done, but it needs to be done.
Explain why 10% profit margin is "outrageously" high?
Why aren't all the taxes on gas "outrageously" high?
Why are gas prices "outrageously" high now but not under the catuh administration when they were higher?
When oill companies were going out of business left and right why weren't gas prices "outrageously" low?
Why is a legitimate business, charging a fair markup, providing goods and services to a spoiled public defined by liberals as "being bent over"?
Why can't liberals come up with solutions for "being bent over" other than having the government steal money from honest business and give it to them?
Because they are socialists that have no solutions, only whining.
Libs are scum
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Aside from nuclear the one you forgot and probably the best is Hydrogen Fusion. Solar and battery just cannot be replentished quick enough to be of much use for transportation.Funny how nobody commented on my post about the earths orbit. I guess since it is proven science and can easily be the cause of global warming we should just ignore it. I guess just like Gore and the other alarmists it makes too much sense so just ignore it and continue to cry the sky is fall all the while cashing in all the way to the bank.
AZM this is simple.
For the liberals:
Summer=HOT
Winter=COLD
The end.:D
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Aside from nuclear the one you forgot and probably the best is Hydrogen Fusion. Solar and battery just cannot be replentished quick enough to be of much use for transportation.Funny how nobody commented on my post about the earths orbit. I guess since it is proven science and can easily be the cause of global warming we should just ignore it. I guess just like Gore and the other alarmists it makes too much sense so just ignore it and continue to cry the sky is fall all the while cashing in all the way to the bank.
As I said, better to go along with it and be wrong, than to not go along with it and be wrong.
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As I said, better to go along with it and be wrong, than to not go along with it and be wrong.
Wrong? What you just said is wrong. By allowing the sky is falling mentality to dictate our current industrial standards we are giving up far too much to other countries that don't give a shit. If you're really worried, maybe we should invade South American and STOP the mass removal of the rain forests. Plants are our lifesavers, converting Carbon dioxide to the stuff we breathe, OXYGEN...There is where the sky is truly falling, yet no one even mentions that. The earth was covered in Carbon Dioxide until the plants, which thrive on it, came into being and did the conversion for us........So, algore, besides selling your phony carbon offsets, do something about the rampant distruction of the forests...I saw a news deal about the floods and mudslides in Mexico. Guess what, the hills that slid into the village had been denuded of trees by THAT village.......Morons...........MP
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Why do people blame the Oil companies for the price of gas? And their "obscene" profits?
Here is a breakdown on 1 gallon of gas on Nov 5th 2007 in California:
Retail prices $3.23
Crude Oil Cost $2.20 ($92.40/barrel)
Federal Excise Tax $0.18
State Excise Tax $0.18
State and Local Sales Tax $0.24
Refinery Cost and Profits $0.39
State Underground Storage Tank Fee $0.01
Distribution Costs, Marketing Costs and Profits $0.03
So out of $3.23 per gallon, the oil companies (If they own their own refineries) get 42 cents. And they have to pay marketing, distribution and refinery costs out of that. Keep in mind, that is for individual stations, too. So I would guess their net profit is about 1/3 of that or 21 cents. About 6.5%
Most businesses operate on about a 15% profit margin.
Oil companies do not set crude oil prices, and very few of them "own" their own oil fields. And the percentage of oil that comes from their own fileds are a very small percentage of the oil they produce. They have to pay for the oil from OPEC members, and when OPEC prices go up, their costs go up.
But their profit margin remains about the same.
By contrast taxes and fees take 61 cents. (19%)