Damn, You mean they want to make it a respectable place to go!
Controlled crowds and no nudity! WTF is this comming too?
Sounds like a good time to apply for boat cop. :hammerhea
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Damn, You mean they want to make it a respectable place to go!
Controlled crowds and no nudity! WTF is this comming too?
Sounds like a good time to apply for boat cop. :hammerhea
I did not realize that it was the duty of municipalities or gov't agencies to provide safe haven for people to break the law. The city's responsibiliy is to provide a level of public safety. If it takes purchasing a pass to go in the channel so be it. If the passes generate revenue so that the city can provide improved services to those paying the fee, great. If you want to act like an Ahole, have sex in public, expose your breasts/other private parts, intoxicate yourself excessively, blast your music annoyingly do it in private.
I wont go to havasu because the outrageous behavior used to be isolated,
now it is the norm. I would go to Havasu, but my family and my money go elsewhere and will continue to do so until Havasu can revert to some level
decency.
Shutting the channel for unsafe level of carbon monoxide, seems the city needs to act more aggressively on limiting use of the channel.
Go LEO's
What I see here is lots of folks with "knee jerk" reactions to minor problems.
Last Saturday when the channel was closed from the south end, I was sitting
there wondering why they would close it when there was clearly way too much wind for there to be a CO problem. Nor were there boats stacked up idling waiting for passage, there wasn't even a continuous single file line in
either direction. Now it appears from the meeting last night that it was actully an experiment to see how the one way traffic idea works. Now they are bragging that it worked pretty well. WRONG.
The reason that it got crowded was because all of the poker runners were in
the channel all trying to get lunch. Then they closed the south entrance,
the reason that it got quiet all of a sudden was because the poker runners
all left to start the afternoon card chase--not because of any one way traffic/ CO scam.
It seems to me that the problems that I see in the channel, nudity and unruly
behavior are not caused by people that I call "boaters". They're caused by
the "non-boaters" in the crowd. I rarely if ever see a boat owner or his wife
getting arrested or causing a problem. It is always some tagalong or someone
who drove to the channel. If we slow down the boat traffic or make it one way traffic or sell permits, we will slow down the movement in the water
but we won't have changed anything on the land which is where the problems exist. Frankly, if these rules were implemented, I will end up walking
down to the channel after work on Saturday afternoon since I won't want to
buy a permit or deal with that hassle and I believe that others will do the same. So our knee jerk reaction may even put more people in the channel with less boats. Haven't we then increased our potential for problems?
Lake Havasu will always be a bit of a "Party Place". We chased the problem
from Copper Canyon to the sandbar and now to the channel. When will we
learn. The problem is here and will always be here. The proverbial 2% of the people that cause all of the problems are almost as bad as the proberbial1%
of the people who bitch and complain about it. The complainers whine nonstop until this whole situation is as it now is. They caused Copper Canyon to be closed, then the sandbar and now the channel. They'll still
complain, probably about the noise I suppose. When will we learn?
Cruising the channel is like cruising Main Street in small town America when we were kids. That's what makes our lake so popular. Close it down or ruin
it and you have made our lake just like all of the others. Do that and you kill
this town. This town will be bankrupt, dusty and forgotten about 20 minutes after you kill our lake. Fix the problem, leave the rest of it alone.
Keith Sayre
What I see here is lots of folks with "knee jerk" reactions to minor problems.
Last Saturday when the channel was closed from the south end, I was sitting
there wondering why they would close it when there was clearly way too much wind for there to be a CO problem. Nor were there boats stacked up idling waiting for passage, there wasn't even a continuous single file line in
either direction. Now it appears from the meeting last night that it was actully an experiment to see how the one way traffic idea works. Now they are bragging that it worked pretty well. WRONG.
The reason that it got crowded was because all of the poker runners were in
the channel all trying to get lunch. Then they closed the south entrance,
the reason that it got quiet all of a sudden was because the poker runners
all left to start the afternoon card chase--not because of any one way traffic/ CO scam.
It seems to me that the problems that I see in the channel, nudity and unruly
behavior are not caused by people that I call "boaters". They're caused by
the "non-boaters" in the crowd. I rarely if ever see a boat owner or his wife
getting arrested or causing a problem. It is always some tagalong or someone
who drove to the channel. If we slow down the boat traffic or make it one way traffic or sell permits, we will slow down the movement in the water
but we won't have changed anything on the land which is where the problems exist. Frankly, if these rules were implemented, I will end up walking
down to the channel after work on Saturday afternoon since I won't want to
buy a permit or deal with that hassle and I believe that others will do the same. So our knee jerk reaction may even put more people in the channel with less boats. Haven't we then increased our potential for problems?
Lake Havasu will always be a bit of a "Party Place". We chased the problem
from Copper Canyon to the sandbar and now to the channel. When will we
learn. The problem is here and will always be here. The proverbial 2% of the people that cause all of the problems are almost as bad as the proberbial1%
of the people who bitch and complain about it. The complainers whine nonstop until this whole situation is as it now is. They caused Copper Canyon to be closed, then the sandbar and now the channel. They'll still
complain, probably about the noise I suppose. When will we learn?
Cruising the channel is like cruising Main Street in small town America when we were kids. That's what makes our lake so popular. Close it down or ruin
it and you have made our lake just like all of the others. Do that and you kill
this town. This town will be bankrupt, dusty and forgotten about 20 minutes after you kill our lake. Fix the problem, leave the rest of it alone.
Keith Sayre
Keith,
Very well put and I couldn't agree more. I was also sitting there at the south end on Saturday when the LE positioned themselves at the entrance frantically waiving people to turn around. Their 'experiment' was a frame job. And we are getting framed.
How about running for City Council? We need someone who is in touch with reality.
Don't know if it was s scam or not, but the second time they closed the channel, I saw the fireman check the meters and he said the levels were too high and they were just heading down to shut it down.
What is the 'real deal', with this rule, did they only decide to enforce it the first weekend we launched? $200 later.... :frown: thank goodness its not a DMV point! Its BS, is what it is... Does anyone know what the plans are for 'oversized' boats? 35.5' is the limit for the Channel. Did any of you even know that? We didn't, evidently its been a law for over 3 years!! What a joke, Enforce it, or DON'T!
We were cited while docking at LBR docks, where, BTW, we own a timeshare! Because who the hell wants to deal with any launch ramp twice a day in Lake Havasu!! Thats why we invested in the City!!! Because it was convenient to leave the boat in the water!! We NEVER even enter from the South end of the Channel, the water level has been too low! And too many stupid people who can't drive and don't get it. MOST 'oversized' boat owners have more experience and respect, because they have graduated there, and they CAN'T afford to make a mistake, and I'm not talking $$.
Bottom Line is.... ITS NOT THE SIZE OF YOUR BOAT, its who is piloting the boat, how experienced they are, and how much respect they have for the laws of the water and OTHER boaters. 'Oversized' boats are a very SMALL percentage of the boats on Lake Havasu. The City stands to lose thousands of dollars by restricting the channel... People will sell, or won't buy, if they can't beach/dock in front of their Townhomes/Condo's (at $350k to $800k), how rediculous is this? If this issue isn't addressed, we will sell next season.
Is it 'safety' issues with the number of boats in the Channel, or a Carbon Monoxide issue, or both? Then real revenue for the City lies with the abusers of the priviledge! Patrol the boardwalk for God's sake.... !! Now, there is a true day's work! Don't permit JET SKI'S OR SEA DOO types in the Channel, they are the water craft that cause the most stink! And they're unsafe! And hey! Wonder if that guy has 50 lifejackets on his boat, to save all 50 people, who are too drunk or high to save themselves!! Or maybe he's a wealthy kind of Titanic kinda guy.....LOL - Not to mention the 5-30 packs of beer and gallon of Tequila on board, and what about the free porn available right in front of your very eyes...?! :2purples: ALL are sitting ducks in the Channel, available for the picking..... These are the rude, irresponsible, inexperienced individuals, who abuse the priviledge of piloting a boat, and this is really where the 'quan' is for the City!
I wrote a 4 page letter to 23 business owners, property owners, developers, Mayor, and Councilman regarding these issues..... that was 2 months ago... NOT A SINGLE RESPONSE! So unless you can afford a $200 citation and the aggrevation and frustration of watching every other 'oversized' boat enter the Channel, park or patronize businesses there, we all need to fight this. Developers and Resort owners who are selling property, need to fight this for us. Is anyone a lawyer out there that can tell us what needs to be done! Petitions, complaints, what??? Otherwise we'll jsut spend our money elsewhere.
Seems pretty simple to me...Don't act like a bunch of drunken children, pick up your trash, play well with the other kids, you don't have to prove your stereo is the loudest in the universe, and women...keep your clothes on...
BRAVO!!!
Sat thru the meeting last nite :argue: GOD was that boring but worth it just to hear the end subject on the channel. I am one who thinks the channel behavior problem does need to be addressed but some of these proposals are just outrageous. Like I said in my post, how can we allow them to take away 3 or 4 sections 400 feet long of the best mooring in the channel??? Want to know where, the south entrance island side for one, another section island side in the turn, mainland side south of KoKoMo's and I thought one more but at that point I was so friggin mad I didnt care. All I can say is we had ALL and I mean ALL of us that enjoy the good times had in the channel make our voices heard loud and clear :boxingguy NSF OH yeah, go out in the street and measure off 400 ft so you know what we are giving up!!!
what's your boat length?
what's your boat length?
Kind of a personal question, isn't it? :confused:
Sorry, just a little comic relief attempt! hee hee.