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Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming 'Greatest Scam in History'
By John Coleman
Nov. 7, 2007
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-b...lobal_warming/
It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.
I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you "believe in." It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won't believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend.
:D :eek: :)
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Mr. Coleman is on here in San Diego on KUSI TV channel 9 he calls it his retirement job. He has talked about the subject from time to time. I'm glad he is getting some national attention on it.
He was on Rush's show on Friday with the guest host Paul Smith, he did a great job talking about the pier pressure and people chasing grant money.
Paul Smith even mentioned that he heard the envor wacko's talking about the ice retracting in Greenland to apoint here it is exposing tree trunks that have never been see before. Yes you read that right" tree trunks that have never been seen before".
Oh shit, that means that at some point it had been warm enough for tree's to grow there before. Well before the man started pumping greenhouse gases into the air.:eek: Boy that doesn't help their arguement does it.
I want so badly for this train to get derailed it needs to get derailed.... I hope it is not to late.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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When it doesnt happen they just say it is because of them bringing attention to it.:rolleyes:
On the other hand if it gets us off of oil dependency from other countries I am all for it.;)
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Gee does this mean al Gore is full of S--t????? The Nobel Prize has lost it's luster????
Who'd a' thunk.........:devil:
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On the other hand if it gets us off of oil dependency from other countries I am all for it.;)
I'm with you on this one
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Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.
Think about this kiddies when you are pumping your tank full.:mad: :mad: :mad:
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Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.
Think about this kiddies when you are pumping your tank full.:mad: :mad: :mad:
OK, another rant about Israel, but how does this relate to algores bullshit about global warming?.....The agreement you quoted is not a hoax, or "the greatest scam in American history". No one has made movies/docudramas denouncing what you have said here. Hell, most of us didn't even know about the oil to Israel agreement, so how could it be a scam or hoax?.....If someone stood up and said we do not have this agreement, if someone made a movie saying we don't have this agreement, never have had, and never will, That would be a scam......I see this agreement as an amendment to our initial pledge to help Israel combat the evil forces in their region, forces that are dead set on killing all the non muslims in the world. Be they Christians or jews. Blown, truth be told, the biggest scam is making people believe that Israel actually needs our help. If WE gave them the green light, believe me, it would be over in a few days. The Israelies don't fight wars like we do, they go in, kick ass, and if necessary, stay to prevent the same armies from regrouping. We could learn a great deal about how to eliminate the terror threat against us from Israel. I say let them do what is necessary to bring peace to the middle east, once and for all.........But wait, we can't let them do that because of Arab oil that WE are so dependant on......Catch 22, they hold back, at our request, so we, in turn say look, if push comes to shove down the road we will back you up with OIL for your military machine.....If you dug deep enough you'll probably find a mirrored agreement from them to us in time of need.......No Blown, not a scam or a hoax, just something quietly worked out among allies in the war on terror and the much publicized Jihad against every man, woman, and child that is not muslim..........Remember Blown "The enemy of our enemy, is our friend"...........MP
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Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.
Think about this kiddies when you are pumping your tank full.:mad: :mad: :mad:
Ah more Jew bashing..fun:rolleyes:
Here is the wording from the memorandum, no "guarantee", a best effort for them to purchase from the US if they have no other means. The strategic supply is for US consumption also since we barely drill from our own shores.
The United States recognizes that the Egypt-Israel Agreement initialed on Sept. 1, 1975 (hereinafter referred to as the agreement), entailing the withdrawal from vital areas in Sinai, constitutes an act of great significance on Israel's part in the pursuit of final peace. That agreement has full United States support.
1. The United States Government will make every effort to be fully responsive, within the limits of its resources and Congressional authorization and appropriation, on an ongoing and long-term basis, to Israel's military equipment and other defense requirements, to its energy requirements and to its economic needs. The needs specified in paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 below shall be deemed eligible for inclusion within the annual total to be requested in fiscal year '76 and later fiscal years.
2. Israel's long-term military supply needs from the United States shall be the subject of periodic consultations between representatives of the U.S. and Israeli defense establishments, with agreement reached on specific items to be included in a separate U.S.-Israeli memorandum. To this end, a joint study by military experts will be undertaken within three weeks. In conducting this study, which will include Israel's 1976 needs, the United States will view Israel's requests sympathetically, including its request for advanced and sophisticated weapons.
3. Israel will make its own independent arrangements for oil supply to meet its requirements through normal procedures. In the event Israel is unable to secure its needs in this way, the United States Government, upon notification of this fact by the Government, of Israel, will act as follows for five years, at the end of which period either side can terminate this arrangement on one year's notice.
(a) If the oil Israel needs to meet all its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where no quantitative restrictions exist on the ability of the United States to procure oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel to meet all of the aforementioned normal requirements of Israel. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.
(b) If the oil Israel needs to meet all of its normal requirements for domestic consumption is unavailable for purchase in circumstances where' quantitative restrictions through embargo or otherwise also prevent the United States from procuring oil to meet its normal requirements, the United States Government will promptly make oil available for purchase by Israel in accordance with the International Energy Agency conservation and allocation formula as applied by the United States Government, in order to meet Israel's essential requirements. If Israel is unable to secure the necessary means to transport such oil to Israel, the United States Government will make every effort to help Israel secure the necessary means of transport.
Israeli and U.S. experts will meet annually or more frequently at the request of either party, to review Israel's continuing oil requirement.
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Gee does this mean al Gore is full of S--t????? The Nobel Prize has lost it's luster????
Who'd a' thunk.........:devil:
Not sure that it means anything other than someone's opinion :D
Just curious how a TV Weatherman and founder of a cable weather channel qualifies as an expert in the field of Climatology?
Is this another reliebale piece from The Blogosphere? :) :)
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Not sure that it means anything other than someone's opinion :D
Just curious how a TV Weatherman and founder of a cable weather channel qualifies as an expert in the field of Climatology?
Is this another reliebale piece from The Blogosphere? :) :)
Same thing that qualifies all the other BS scientist that signed the consensus paper...lol "consensus":rolleyes:
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I'm with you on this one
Great! We all finally agree. This does mean you support drilling ANWR and off shore right?
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Not sure that it means anything other than someone's opinion :D
Just curious how a TV Weatherman and founder of a cable weather channel qualifies as an expert in the field of Climatology?
Is this another reliebale piece from The Blogosphere? :) :)
Are you curious what makes an ex-VP an expert. Mr. Coleman has spent many years studying weather and it's trends. Your question about how starting the weather channel makes him an expert is as bout as stupid as a guy who didn't know better said to me "just because Bruce Crower has a company named after him, that doesn't make him an expert on making horsepower" Phuking idiot.
Mr. Coleman talked about talking to his mentor, a PHd from MIT and other's that he talked to about this subject. His has studied Climatology for 30 plus years, far longer than Al Gore, do you consider Gore and expert:confused:
I have heard Mr. Coleman on numerours ocasions talk about how complicated computer weather models are, they are complicated enough for 2 weeks out, the global warming wacko's want to tell us what is going to happen 20 years out... your kidding me aren't you. As far as the computer model's go ...
Garbage in Garbage out..
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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Not sure that it means anything other than someone's opinion :D
Just curious how a TV Weatherman and founder of a cable weather channel qualifies as an expert in the field of Climatology?
Is this another reliebale piece from The Blogosphere? :) :)
Oh fer ****s sake.:rolleyes:
More lib think from the resident leftist who prefers to believe a POLITICIAN who has been proven over and over again to be an abject liar over a WEATHERMAN in regards to................................................ ..the weather.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Are you curious what makes an ex-VP an expert. Mr. Coleman has spent many years studying weather and it's trends. Your question about how starting the weather channel makes him an expert is as bout as stupid as a guy who didn't know better said to me "just because Bruce Crower has a company named after him, that doesn't make him an expert on making horsepower" Phuking idiot.
Mr. Coleman talked about talking to his mentor, a PHd from MIT and other's that he talked to about this subject. His has studied Climatology for 30 plus years, far longer than Al Gore, do you consider Gore and expert:confused:
I have heard Mr. Coleman on numerours ocasions talk about how complicated computer weather models are, they are complicated enough for 2 weeks out, the global warming wacko's want to tell us what is going to happen 20 years out... your kidding me aren't you. As far as the computer model's go ...
Garbage in Garbage out..
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
Liberals define garbage in garbage out.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Under a 1975 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) the USA guaranteed all Israel's oil needs in the event of a crisis. This Memorandum of Understanding is quietly renewed every five years. It commits U.S. taxpayers to maintain a strategic U.S. reserve for Israel, equivalent to $3 billion in 2002 dollars. Special legislation was enacted to exempt Israel from restrictions on oil exports from the USA. Moreover, the U.S. government agreed to divert oil from the USA, even if this causes domestic shortages. The U.S. government also guaranteed delivery of oil in U.S. tankers if commercial shippers become unable or unwilling to carry oil from the USA to Israel.
Think about this kiddies when you are pumping your tank full.:mad: :mad: :mad:
Bent your knowledge of History is piss poor to say the least, Suggestion do some research on it!
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Are you curious what makes an ex-VP an expert. Mr. Coleman has spent many years studying weather and it's trends. Your question about how starting the weather channel makes him an expert is as bout as stupid as a guy who didn't know better said to me "just because Bruce Crower has a company named after him, that doesn't make him an expert on making horsepower" Phuking idiot.
Mr. Coleman talked about talking to his mentor, a PHd from MIT and other's that he talked to about this subject. His has studied Climatology for 30 plus years, far longer than Al Gore, do you consider Gore and expert:confused:
I have heard Mr. Coleman on numerours ocasions talk about how complicated computer weather models are, they are complicated enough for 2 weeks out, the global warming wacko's want to tell us what is going to happen 20 years out... your kidding me aren't you. As far as the computer model's go ...
Garbage in Garbage out..
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
Gore is no expert on the science of Climatology. Global Warming wackos or Wackos who state that Global Warming is a hoax and a scam. Take your pick. I am not as easily convinced as you are about many things, and this issue is one of them. Fact is the climate is warming. The question remains is man having any affect on this process. Kicking our addiction to foreign oil, is a good thing regardless.
When Coleman's mentors, and the majority of this scientific community start speaking out with such authority, then maybe. Until then, I will continue to listen, learn and continue to support alternative energy sources and better fuel efficiency.
Are you stating that being a TV weather man and starting a cable weather channel make Colman an expert of climate change?
Phuking idiot. If this was directed at me please let me know.
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Bent your knowledge of History is piss poor to say the least, Suggestion do some research on it!
But, he did. And the source (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4504) is extremely reliable:rolleyes:
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But, he did. And the source (http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4504) is extremely reliable:rolleyes:
Just went to the site and found these Gems Bent forgot to post here.
Must Reads . . .
OIL prices aren't rising - the US dollar is plummeting!
Did you know that by law the US guarantees israels oil supply no matter what?
Yes, the War is for Oil - and the Oil is for israel
IRAQ Oil to be Shipped to ISRAEL
The Russians Are Coming
Redrawing Borders (to get at the OIL)
Mike Gravel, Rocks!
Condis Albright Moment
israeli pipedreams
OIL roads lead to israel
Secret Relationship Between israel and Oil
Kazakh oil fund pours millions into israel
Israeli Zionists swoop low to spread fear & paranoia
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OK, just for the sake of arguement lets agree that there is Global Warming. How does anyone know IF its man-made or a natural occurance? And If its man-made how does any pro global warming person account for the warming of Mars, that is warming at about the same rate the earth is? Could it be that the planets are warming because the Sun is getting hotter? What say you now, Algore?:idea:
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OK, just for the sake of arguement lets agree that there is Global Warming. How does anyone know IF its man-made or a natural occurance? And If its man-made how does any pro global warming person account for the warming of Mars, that is warming at about the same rate the earth is? Could it be that the planets are warming because the Sun is getting hotter? What say you now, Algore?:idea:
A good point
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Gore is no expert on the science of Climatology. Global Warming wackos or Wackos who state that Global Warming is a hoax and a scam. Take your pick. I am not as easily convinced as you are about many things, and this issue is one of them. Fact is the climate is warming. The question remains is man having any affect on this process. Kicking our addiction to foreign oil, is a good thing regardless.
Are you stating that being a TV weather man and starting a cable weather channel make Colman an expert of climate change?
Phuking idiot. If this was directed at me please let me know.
"The question remains is man having any affect on this process." It may not have been clear but that is Mr. Colemans point. The earth will go through it's cycles with or without human influence(sp). It has been doing so for millions of years. Far before the industrial revolution and the enternal combustion engine.
He also stated that since the earth receives 99% of its heat from the Sun he can't believe the global warming wacko's haven't given more thought to the sun's cycle's. He then stated that the answer is obvious : They can't regulate the sun. But they can regulate us.
For the record, Mr. Coleman know's that the earth has warmed 1.2 degree's average over the last 50 yrs. or so, but only .4 degree's is accounted for by human activity. (So the experts say) His point is the earth has been cooler and the earth has been warmer it is just a cycle and would happen with or without us(people).
"Are you stating that being a TV weather man and starting a cable weather channel make Colman an expert of climate change?" Interesting question:idea: Was Howard Cossell (sp) an expert on boxing ? How many experts are there on horse racing that weren't jockies? Was Smokey Ulich (sp) an engineer. Does he need a Phd in Climatetology to be an expert. Do you know how many "F"ing Phd's are Physiologist's and Thereipast (sp) that are truely phucked up people. And they tell other's how to raise children and how to get along in marriage.
As far as the "Phucking idiot" comment... not directed at you .. you are just a liberal.. I would ask you to consider the "Airplane on the Treadmil" question. On the face of it, with the conventional knowledge of a treadmill, something that makes you stay in place no matter how fast you run, I believed the answer to be "Hell no it won't fly" And then information that I hadn't considered was put infront of me. (IE. the propulsion system is not connected to the treadmill, there is only so much friction created by the tires and wheel bearings and the wheels will free-wheel on the axles).
Holy crap, the thing can fly and the wheel's will just roll at the speed of the plane plus the speed of the treadmill. Wow, I just learned something new, I guess I need to change my opinion. And I did.
Now apply the above to "Global Warming" or "Man made Global Warming" If the retraction of ice sheets in Greenland are uncovering tree trunks that no one has ever seen before, what does that tell you?:idea:
If the Roman's grew wine grapes in what is now Great Britian and grapes will not grow there today, does that tell you anything?:idea:
If the earth receives 99% of it's heat from the sun and the sun has had more surface activity over the last 5 years than every measured before could that tell you anything? :idea:
And lastly, if the same scientist that are today screaming global warming are in part the same crowd that 24 yrs ago were screaming global cooling " The next ICE Age is comming if we don't do something quicK" doesn' that make you stop and give pause to this? :idea:
It's about money and the control of your life (activities) your house, your car, boat, your job. Think about it please.
And the "phucking idiot" that made the comment about Bruce Crower, the man had asked me why "an engine with more compression makes more horsepower, there is no such thing as a free lunch and the engine should loose effeciancy through pumping losses having to compress the air/fuel mixture more" I started to say " Well my understanding of it from things I have read and from talking about engine efficencies(sp) with Bruce Crower is..."
In any case, I would ask you to think about what is to be gained and what is to be lost on the "Man made Global Warming scam" and who win's and who looses.
Just my .02 and then some ;)
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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"The question remains is man having any affect on this process." It may not have been clear but that is Mr. Colemans point. The earth will go through it's cycles with or without human influence(sp). It has been doing so for millions of years. Far before the industrial revolution and the enternal combustion engine.
He also stated that since the earth receives 99% of its heat from the Sun he can't believe the global warming wacko's haven't given more thought to the sun's cycle's. He then stated that the answer is obvious : They can't regulate the sun. But they can regulate us.
For the record, Mr. Coleman know's that the earth has warmed 1.2 degree's average over the last 50 yrs. or so, but only .4 degree's is accounted for by human activity. (So the experts say) His point is the earth has been cooler and the earth has been warmer it is just a cycle and would happen with or without us(people).
"Are you stating that being a TV weather man and starting a cable weather channel make Colman an expert of climate change?" Interesting question:idea: Was Howard Cossell (sp) an expert on boxing ? How many experts are there on horse racing that weren't jockies? Was Smokey Ulich (sp) an engineer. Does he need a Phd in Climatetology to be an expert. Do you know how many "F"ing Phd's are Physiologist's and Thereipast (sp) that are truely phucked up people. And they tell other's how to raise children and how to get along in marriage.
As far as the "Phucking idiot" comment... not directed at you .. you are just a liberal.. I would ask you to consider the "Airplane on the Treadmil" question. On the face of it, with the conventional knowledge of a treadmill, something that makes you stay in place no matter how fast you run, I believed the answer to be "Hell no it won't fly" And then information that I hadn't considered was put infront of me. (IE. the propulsion system is not connected to the treadmill, there is only so much friction created by the tires and wheel bearings and the wheels will free-wheel on the axles).
Holy crap, the thing can fly and the wheel's will just roll at the speed of the plane pulls the speed of the treadmill. Wow, I just learned something new, I guess I need to change my opinion. And I did.
Now apply the above to "Global Warming" or "Man made Global Warming" If the retraction of ice sheets in Greenland are uncovering tree trunks that no one has ever seen before, what does that tell you?:idea:
If the Roman's grew wine grapes in what is now Great Britian and grapes will not grow there today, does that tell you anything?:idea:
If the earth receives 99% of it's heat from the sun and the sun has had more surface activity over the last 5 years than every measured before could that tell you anything? :idea:
And lastly, if the same scientist that are today screaming global warming are in part the same crowd that 24 yrs ago were screaming global cooling " The next ICE Age is comming if we don't do something quicK" doesn' that make you stop and give pause to this? :idea:
It's about money and the control of your life (activities) your house, your car, boat, your job. Think about it please.
And the "phucking idiot" that made the comment about Bruce Crower, the man had asked me why "an engine with more compression makes more horsepower, their is no such thing as a free lunch and the engine should loose effeciancy through pumping losses having to compress the air/fuel mixture more" I started to say " Well my understanding of it from things I have read and from talking about engine efficencies(sp) with Bruce Crower is..."
In any case, I would ask you to think about what is to be gained and what is to be lost on the "Man made Global Warming scam" and who win's and who looses.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
Crower from Crower cams? Scp, this case is not as clear as the airplane/treadmill issue. When it becomes as clear, I will make up my mind,. I am on the fence on this issue as I have been for quite a while. Not sure that makes me a a Liberal, or anything else, for that matter. I do have some views that are somewhat liberal, and I have some views that are somehwhat conservative.
I do thank you for continuing to express you opinions and discuss issues like the mature adult that you are. As was agreed with AZM, if we connected on the water, I'm sure we would get along just fine. Seems we have more in
common than not. I have been a gear head, since I was child. I love fast cars, fast boats and HP. This will never change. There is an older guy up the street, who helped me with my Warlock, named Amos Satterly. Amos used to build some serious HP blower motors for drag boats. I learned some stuff from Amos. Not sure what made me think of Amos???
As someone else said to me, if I ever saw you broken down, I would be right there with a rope and a cold one, rest assured.
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Crower from Crower cams?
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Yes that Crower, I grew up knowing three of his children. I told the dipstick that said "just because his name is on a company doesn't mean he know's how to make horsepower" , that saying that is as lame as saying " Chuck Yeager isn't an engineer so what does he know about flying".
I then rolled off a bunch of Bruce's accomplishments including the fact that he was the first person to "top mount " a GMC blower on an engine and that when GM designed the 396 big block it wouldn't live on the dyno under durability test's the engineers from GM(including Zora Duntov) called Bruce to ask him what his thoughts were. He had the answer for them 2 minutes after seeing the broken parts.
My point is, just because Mr. Coleman doesn't have a PHD in Climateology doesn't mean you or anyone else should discount his lifes work. He has studied weather for 30 plus yrs.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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OK, another rant about Israel, but how does this relate to algores bullshit about global warming?.....The agreement you quoted is not a hoax, or "the greatest scam in American history". No one has made movies/docudramas denouncing what you have said here. Hell, most of us didn't even know about the oil to Israel agreement, so how could it be a scam or hoax?.....If someone stood up and said we do not have this agreement, if someone made a movie saying we don't have this agreement, never have had, and never will, That would be a scam......I see this agreement as an amendment to our initial pledge to help Israel combat the evil forces in their region, forces that are dead set on killing all the non muslims in the world. Be they Christians or jews. Blown, truth be told, the biggest scam is making people believe that Israel actually needs our help. If WE gave them the green light, believe me, it would be over in a few days. The Israelies don't fight wars like we do, they go in, kick ass, and if necessary, stay to prevent the same armies from regrouping. We could learn a great deal about how to eliminate the terror threat against us from Israel. I say let them do what is necessary to bring peace to the middle east, once and for all.........But wait, we can't let them do that because of Arab oil that WE are so dependant on......Catch 22, they hold back, at our request, so we, in turn say look, if push comes to shove down the road we will back you up with OIL for your military machine.....If you dug deep enough you'll probably find a mirrored agreement from them to us in time of need.......No Blown, not a scam or a hoax, just something quietly worked out among allies in the war on terror and the much publicized Jihad against every man, woman, and child that is not muslim..........Remember Blown "The enemy of our enemy, is our friend"...........MP
You see the date?
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The agreement between the US and Israel regarding oil came about through the Great :rolleyes: President Jimmy Carter and his mid-east Peace accord between Egypt and Israel. It was a carrot on a stick (incentive) for Israel to sign off on the Great :rolleyes: President Jimmy Carter's Middle East Treaty.
And we all have seen how well the Great :rolleyes: President Jimmy Carter's peace plan has worked.
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Yes that Crower, I grew up knowing three of his children. I told the dipstick that said "just because his name is on a company doesn't mean he know's how to make horsepower" , that saying that is as lame as saying " Chuck Yeager isn't an engineer so what does he know about flying".
I then rolled off a bunch of Bruce's accomplishments including the fact that he was the first person to "top mount " a GMC blower on an engine and that when GM designed the 396 big block it wouldn't live on the dyno under durability test's the engineers from GM(including Zora Duntov) called Bruce to ask him what his thoughts were. He had the answer for them 2 minutes after seeing the broken parts.
My point is, just because Mr. Coleman doesn't have a PHD in Climateology doesn't mean you or anyone else should discount his lifes work. He has studied weather for 30 plus yrs.
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
Not discounting anything, I just don't see it as the gospel. The same would, and does, hold true from the opposing view.
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Not sure that it means anything other than someone's opinion :D
Just curious how a TV Weatherman and founder of a cable weather channel qualifies as an expert in the field of Climatology?
Is this another reliebale piece from The Blogosphere? :) :)
Here's what you do. Go to Vegas with Al Gore and play Roulette, Craps, or whatever game Al claims to know. Then you bet your life savings according to Al's selections. When you come home deadasse broke maybe you will realize Al Gore is a pompous idiot.
If my choice is a man that has dedicated the majority of his life to weather and has made a very good living and has the credibility among "experts" Coleman does, I'll damn sure take his opinion with far more trust than an idiot who would sell his soul for the Presidency or any attention he could possibly muster.
Argue what you will or as you may, but when you use folks such as Gore and Joe Wilson as your "experts", you run a very precarious race.
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Argue what you will or as you may, but when you use folks such as Gore and Joe Wilson as your "experts", you run a very precarious race.
Well, that about puts this debate into prespective:D
Thanks Texan, :)
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover
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OK, just for the sake of arguement lets agree that there is Global Warming. How does anyone know IF its man-made or a natural occurance? And If its man-made how does any pro global warming person account for the warming of Mars, that is warming at about the same rate the earth is? Could it be that the planets are warming because the Sun is getting hotter? What say you now, Algore?:idea:
The other day I was watching a show on global warming that was showing astronomers that had an orbital model. the earthis on an eliptical orbit around the sun.No planet does. Picture if you can an eliptical rubberband but it is stiff but plyable.It holds it shape. Now grab each end of the longest diameter with your fingers.Now if pull on the rubberband a little. The ends pull farther apart and the sides move a little closer..let go and the ends move closer and the sides move farhter away.If you do this you see how the orbit of earth changes it orbit back and forth throughout it's cycle. And they have proven that it's cycle is roughly every 100 yrs. so every 50 ish yrs we go from one extreme to the other.And theres no way we can stop it. And right now we are at our cloest to the sun And yes Mars is going through the same warming patern. But then alot of the meteoroligist say the measured output of the sun hasn't changed. And the way it's measured that's true. Take a propane torch and light it. Set the flame to a constant output no wold your hand above it about 5 ft. Nowove your hand 6" closer. Feel the heat change? The output of the torch didn't change but it got warmer. Astronomers have known this for years. But the eco-freaks just don't listen. So yes there is global warming and man has a very small impact on it. I have been an amatuer Astronomer for many years and know a few scientist at the U of A and they say the same thing. I have seen Algore's movie 1-1/2 times. couldn't stand it the second time. The senario he dipicts is actually very plausible. During the warm period the poles mely a little and the cool periods show patterns of cooling and wet periods. But to put the whole world in an alarmists attitude to it. While taking it to the bank. Remember Al Gore was a medeocre student but an excelent "politician". Now everything the astronamers are saying is based on phsics. A very real and reliable proof.
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You see the date?
Yeah, 1975..........Where were you in 1967? I know exactly where I was, what I was doing, and why I was doing it.........Blown, do you think all this started on 9/11?.........
This muslim crap has been going on for centuries, even amongst themselves. I did notice that this terrible agreement you speak of gives Israel the OPTION to BUY oil from the US strategic reserves, nothing about GIVING them anything.....As usual Blown, anything that involves the jews makes you blind with rage, not sure why, don't care why. Even if you found something legit to bitch about, no one here would listen, you have cried wolf several times too often already to be taken seriously.........MP
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The other day I was watching a show on global warming that was showing astronomers that had an orbital model. the earthis on an eliptical orbit around the sun.No planet does. Picture if you can an eliptical rubberband but it is stiff but plyable.It holds it shape. Now grab each end of the longest diameter with your fingers.Now if pull on the rubberband a little. The ends pull farther apart and the sides move a little closer..let go and the ends move closer and the sides move farhter away.If you do this you see how the orbit of earth changes it orbit back and forth throughout it's cycle. And they have proven that it's cycle is roughly every 100 yrs. so every 50 ish yrs we go from one extreme to the other.And theres no way we can stop it. And right now we are at our cloest to the sun And yes Mars is going through the same warming patern. But then alot of the meteoroligist say the measured output of the sun hasn't changed. And the way it's measured that's true. Take a propane torch and light it. Set the flame to a constant output no wold your hand above it about 5 ft. Nowove your hand 6" closer. Feel the heat change? The output of the torch didn't change but it got warmer. Astronomers have known this for years. But the eco-freaks just don't listen. So yes there is global warming and man has a very small impact on it. I have been an amatuer Astronomer for many years and know a few scientist at the U of A and they say the same thing. I have seen Algore's movie 1-1/2 times. couldn't stand it the second time. The senario he dipicts is actually very plausible. During the warm period the poles mely a little and the cool periods show patterns of cooling and wet periods. But to put the whole world in an alarmists attitude to it. While taking it to the bank. Remember Al Gore was a medeocre student but an excelent "politician". Now everything the astronamers are saying is based on phsics. A very real and reliable proof.Don't use 50 cents words while talking to a liberal. The use of "eliptical" will do nothing but confuse them. :D I gotta hand it to Algore as he has sold the liberals on the idea of buying and selling "Carbon Credits" pure genius, pay money to ease your conscious. Gonna trade credits on the Mercantile Exchange just as they do with pollution credits, another racket to promote the re-distribution of wealth. But then again liberals that follow Algore are not the brightest lights in the harbor. Guess you can sell them on anything, Barnum was right.:D
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Yeah, 1975..........Where were you in 1967? I know exactly where I was, what I was doing, and why I was doing it.........Blown, do you think all this started on 9/11?.........
This muslim crap has been going on for centuries, even amongst themselves. I did notice that this terrible agreement you speak of gives Israel the OPTION to BUY oil from the US strategic reserves, nothing about GIVING them anything.....As usual Blown, anything that involves the jews makes you blind with rage, not sure why, don't care why. Even if you found something legit to bitch about, no one here would listen, you have cried wolf several times too often already to be taken seriously.........MP
Lemme see, do I care?? na.:idea:
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Lemme see, do I care?? na.:idea:
So now you don't care? You hijacked a thread about the scam of global warming, throw some hype around about oil agreements, your hype is discounted, totally, you ask about a date, know nothing about your own hoax/scam ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! And now, after the scam/hoax YOU started is shown to be crap, you no longer care......My head hurts........MP
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Don't use 50 cents words while talking to a liberal. The use of "eliptical" will do nothing but confuse them. :D I gotta hand it to Algore as he has sold the liberals on the idea of buying and selling "Carbon Credits" pure genius, pay money to ease your conscious. Gonna trade credits on the Mercantile Exchange just as they do with pollution credits, another racket to promote the re-distribution of wealth. But then again liberals that follow Algore are not the brightest lights in the harbor. Guess you can sell them on anything, Barnum was right.:D
You know it's funny but the if the earth did not orbit the way it doe's it would theoretically be thown out into space. it's sort of a sling shot theory.We race by the sun and once we start to get away from it we slow and turn only to be pulled back to race by it again and so on and so on. But if it traveled a perfect circular orbit it would slowly pull away from the sun. Not to mention no seasons,which is also affected by the angle of tilt from one end of it's orbit to the other. You know there is one thing that no one can stop is the fact that this planet will burn up eventually. Our sun,which is nothing more than a star,will evenyually burn up any way. All stars burn hotter as they exhaust ther fuel. All stars continue to burn brighter and hotter until they go supernova.A stars death. They burn hotter and hotter till it blows it's outer shell of an becomes a red giant . Then burns till there's nothing left and implodes. It's funny but if you put this theory to the test using the last 75 yrs of recording you get the mid 70' global cooling scare.In the early 60's scientists notice a small cooling trend.By the mid 70's the government was giving grant's in the millions to study the efect of our CO2 production on the atmosphere. All the sudden we have a global colling scare spearheaded by none other than the left wing. As history knows nothing materialized. funniy thing though. If figure the timeline from the time they started to notice a cooling trend till now it's almost 50yrs. Right in the timeline of cold to hot and drought to drought and cold to cold every 100 yrs give or take. Not to mention tree rings show the same thing with droughts to droughts,and wet to wet periods 100 yrs apart. And 50yrs from each other.
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It's very simple. If we heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, the worst that can happen is we foster some energy resources other than fossil fuels a little ahead of schedule. We learn to practice recycling which is an economic boost anyway. We achieve new levels of science and cleaner to operate industrialization which is good for everyone regardless of global warming.
If we DO NOT heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, we esentially destroy the only planet we have and strip our kids of any future we want for them and will probably piss off God.
The cost is negligable and most of the technology that comes from eco friendly ventures is American - and I support the next American technological boom, which seems to be alternate ecofriendly technologies. Whether you noticed it or not, our dollar is in the crapper and we're outsourcing everything but porn. While you idiots are arguing over who has the biggest dick almost everything that is right about America is being legislated out of existence. Let's lead at something besides bragging about the past or stalemating over resources.
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It's very simple. If we heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, the worst that can happen is we foster some energy resources other than fossil fuels a little ahead of schedule. We learn to practice recycling which is an economic boost anyway. We achieve new levels of science and cleaner to operate industrialization which is good for everyone regardless of global warming.
If we DO NOT heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, we esentially destroy the only planet we have and strip our kids of any future we want for them and will probably piss off God.
The cost is negligable and most of the technology that comes from eco friendly ventures is American - and I support the next American technological boom, which seems to be alternate ecofriendly technologies. Whether you noticed it or not, our dollar is in the crapper and we're outsourcing everything but porn. While you idiots are arguing over who has the biggest dick almost everything that is right about America is being legislated out of existence. Let's lead at something besides bragging about the past or stalemating over resources.
Welcome back Poster.
Err on the side of caution, as I have stated over and over again
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It's very simple. If we heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, the worst that can happen is we foster some energy resources other than fossil fuels a little ahead of schedule. We learn to practice recycling which is an economic boost anyway. We achieve new levels of science and cleaner to operate industrialization which is good for everyone regardless of global warming.
If we DO NOT heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, we esentially destroy the only planet we have and strip our kids of any future we want for them and will probably piss off God.
The cost is negligable and most of the technology that comes from eco friendly ventures is American - and I support the next American technological boom, which seems to be alternate ecofriendly technologies. Whether you noticed it or not, our dollar is in the crapper and we're outsourcing everything but porn. While you idiots are arguing over who has the biggest dick almost everything that is right about America is being legislated out of existence. Let's lead at something besides bragging about the past or stalemating over resources.
So we drive our manufacturing base offshore with un necesary bullshit laws, and this somehow is good for our country?....I can't see how. Sure if we develope cleaner industry it is a step in the right direction, but at what cost to our economy in the mean time?..Anything associated with algores bullshit is, well, bullshit regardless of how you look at it......MP
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So we drive our manufacturing base offshore with un necesary bullshit laws, and this somehow is good for our country?....I can't see how. Sure if we develope cleaner industry it is a step in the right direction, but at what cost to our economy in the mean time?..Anything associated with algores bullshit is, well, bullshit regardless of how you look at it......MP
Ray, we drove more offshore than we should have long before GW was even an issue. Go into any major retail store that you would like and find any product made in the USA. Good luck. China and Mexico seem to rule.
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It's very simple. If we heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, the worst that can happen is we foster some energy resources other than fossil fuels a little ahead of schedule. We learn to practice recycling which is an economic boost anyway. We achieve new levels of science and cleaner to operate industrialization which is good for everyone regardless of global warming.
If we DO NOT heed the warnings of global warming and are wrong, we esentially destroy the only planet we have and strip our kids of any future we want for them and will probably piss off God.
The cost is negligable and most of the technology that comes from eco friendly ventures is American - and I support the next American technological boom, which seems to be alternate ecofriendly technologies. Whether you noticed it or not, our dollar is in the crapper and we're outsourcing everything but porn. While you idiots are arguing over who has the biggest dick almost everything that is right about America is being legislated out of existence. Let's lead at something besides bragging about the past or stalemating over resources.
Not that I recall:confused: And BTW Asian porn is not half bad.;) And who is legistating, we can't drill in Alaska, we won't drill off our coast's, we won't build Nuclear plant's (last one was built 25+ yrs ago) , we haven't built a new oil/gas refinery in the US in 22 yrs( it's either 22 or 27) and the Clinton administraition put millions of tons of shell oil off limit's for a few political contributions from his friends.
You know we are screwed up aren't we. And Oh, people like the Kennedy's don't want wind power put within eye sight of their vacation homes. :idea:
Something needs to change here:mad:
Sleeper CP
Big Inch Ford Lover