Thanks for ther advice guys, I have always been a honda guy so that is what I'm going to stick with, and yes I have riden bikes quite a bit. My last bike was a CR 250 with a blue printed motor that was set-up for the dessert, I just figured a stock 450F would suit me better. I was more or less interested in what kind of prices you guys were getting and what, if any, problems you have had.