IRAN??? Here we go???

[Steve 1]

Moly you need a dose of Reality.
Rummy shaking Saddams hand like 25 or so other Countries did BTW the Bad ole Americans share of the weapons there (Iraq) was LESS THAN 1% of the total and Blame Carter for that IE Iran Iraq war!!
Iran Contra ????????? They trained terrorists to Kill Americans????? BTW Just another by product of Carter giving Iran to the Terrorists. You are getting thin here.
1979, at the height of the civil war that brought the Marxist Sandinistas to power. Jimmy Carter did not start this conflict -- but his handling of it turned a bad situation into an unmitigated disaster.
Carter named Lawrence Pezzullo (at the time U.S. ambassador to Uruguay) as U.S. ambassador to Nicaragua in June 1979 with the sole mission of pressuring President Anastasio Somoza to step down.
The Carter administration was critical of Somoza’s human rights record, but it should have been under no illusions as to the Sandinistas’ true nature. In August 1978, Sandinistas disguised as Nicaraguan military stormed the National Palace, Nicaragua’s capitol, and held the entire legislature hostage. In a communiqué read over television and radio as one of their demands, the Sandinistas denounced the “financial bourgeoisie” as an “ally of somocismo” that “the people and other anti-somocista sectors should unmask and crush.”
The same tune again: America hating Carter leaves a trial of disaster in his wake.

[HM]

Moly you need a dose of Reality.
Rummy shaking Saddams hand like 25 or so other Countries did BTW the Bad ole Americans share of the weapons there (Iraq) was LESS THAN 1% of the total and Blame Carter for that IE Iran Iraq war!!
Iran Contra ????????? They trained terrorists to Kill Americans????? BTW Just another by product of Carter giving Iran to the Terrorists. You are getting thin here.
1979, at the height of the civil war that brought the Marxist Sandinistas to power. Jimmy Carter did not start this conflict -- but his handling of it turned a bad situation into an unmitigated disaster.
Carter named Lawrence Pezzullo (at the time U.S. ambassador to Uruguay) as U.S. ambassador to Nicaragua in June 1979 with the sole mission of pressuring President Anastasio Somoza to step down.
The Carter administration was critical of Somoza’s human rights record, but it should have been under no illusions as to the Sandinistas’ true nature. In August 1978, Sandinistas disguised as Nicaraguan military stormed the National Palace, Nicaragua’s capitol, and held the entire legislature hostage. In a communiqué read over television and radio as one of their demands, the Sandinistas denounced the “financial bourgeoisie” as an “ally of somocismo” that “the people and other anti-somocista sectors should unmask and crush.”
The same tune again: America hating Carter leaves a trial of disaster in his wake.
Dude. Again. I never said they were trained to kill Americans. WHERE THE F U C K did I say that? I said that was a "collateral damage". Do I need to define collateral damage for you?
Read what I write. Do not try to tell me what I am saying or what I mean. Read it. Reading is fundemental. I already told you before.
You have a major lack of comprehension of basic strategies. War strategies have not changed in thousands of years. Only the weapons have changed. Read up on military strategies to fight gorilla and terrorist types of war fare and you will understand. Pick up "The Art of War" or "Lanchester Theory" and you might understand. To think that the U.S. (or any of our Allys) don't fund or train or give weapons to terrorists that can help our cause is naive.
Steve, what have you read about war and war strategies? What is the rule about a land battle in Asia? Do you understand the concept of the enemy of your enemy is your ally? Do you know what basic fundemental of war that the enemy of your enemy comes from? What is the basic strategy of gorilla war fare and terrorist war fare? What are the two basic advantages is gained by waging gorilla war fare and terrorist war fare? Do you understand that terrorism is nothing more than a war strategy that has been implemented for thousands of years? Do you understand that terrorism is not a strategy of the cowardly? Do you understand anything other than bashing liberals?

[Steve 1]

Dude. Again. I never said they were trained to kill Americans. WHERE THE F U C K did I say that? I said that was a "collateral damage". Do I need to define collateral damage for you?
Read what I write. Do not try to tell me what I am saying or what I mean. Read it. Reading is fundemental. I already told you before.
You have a major lack of comprehension of basic strategies. War strategies have not changed in thousands of years. Only the weapons have changed. Read up on military strategies to fight gorilla and terrorist types of war fare and you will understand. Pick up "The Art of War" or "Lanchester Theory" and you might understand. To think that the U.S. (or any of our Allys) don't fund or train or give weapons to terrorists that can help our cause is naive.
Steve, what have you read about war and war strategies? What is the rule about a land battle in Asia? Do you understand the concept of the enemy of your enemy is your ally? Do you know what basic fundemental of war that the enemy of your enemy comes from? What is the basic strategy of gorilla war fare and terrorist war fare? What are the two basic advantages is gained by waging gorilla war fare and terrorist war fare? Do you understand that terrorism is nothing more than a war strategy that has been implemented for thousands of years? Do you understand that terrorism is not a strategy of the cowardly? Do you understand anything other than bashing liberals?
The liberal thing is quite simple they are at fault for EVERYTHING wrong, with the lip service and hand wringing! Example Bin Laden Carter created him and Clinton encouraged him by being weak! Leaving the mess for Bush to deal with am I missing something?? Of course I could continue on the Liberal/leftist roll with them being pinkoAnti-Americans, organised crime, stealing, inhibiting achievement, unless you are a perverted political artist making a picture of Christ from Cow $hit Driving business off shore lawsuits and environmental nonsense, perverting the Immigration system (Kennedy) to allow third world refuse instead of qualified people of standards. Gees we could go on for days here. But every evil in the world has a democRat involved!

[angry dad]

Hey Steve. keep up the good posts!! Don't let the limp wrist liberal gang own you!! we all know whom the liberal cowards are!!!

[HM]

Uh oh...did I just joint the limp wrist liberal gang? LOL
That is funny. I would be happy to see them turn that part of the world into a big glass crater if the liberals wouldn't cry foul. In fact, I would be happy to make sure most of the liberals where part of that glass crater.
But I know what is going on and how it works and I am fine with it. The republicans just got to bring their game to a different level. I think a media implosion would be pretty easy to make happen right now.
Both sides are loaded with lying cheating scoundral politicians. But the Liberals are my enemy. So the republican politicians are the enemy of my enemy, so they are my ally....for now. I will arm them and fund them, and will probably have to fight my own money down the road...but that is how it works. I consider myself to be a real republican...not the $20 ***** socialist republican's that are destroying our party.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Blown 472]

Oh Stevo. Step away from the koolaid. You are either playing Jimmy Carter stupid or you have a severe problem with reality.
How about Rummy shaking Saddams hand? you seriously think the U.S. is not fighting our own stuff that was given to Iraq by the U.S.?
Remember Iran-Contra and 'ol Olie North?
I am sure Blown can throw in a few.
Stevo...a simple understanding of war stategies dictates that it is impossible to fight this type of war without using the same techniques. It has been easier to just deny it, than to have to esplain the rational behind it......especially when we camp our motto on "getting rid of terrorist." Kinda hard to say....well, the terrorists that are against us.
You see Holy Moly, stevo can't deal with the truth as he can only read the angry white web site that state if you don't agree with us you are a: lib, commi, fag, or pinko. Mean while stevo uses his free hand while whacking off to hold a pic of McCarthy or some other anti pinko freedom fighter, does you mom/lover get sick of picking up the wads of tissue that you throw on the floor spanko, opps I mean stevo??

[1978 Rogers]

Stevo you left out the part about the US inspired coop and installation of the shah.
Didn't our Lib Dem pres Carter do this? I think this was before Reagon.

[bigq]

It is simple to explain.
Our terrorist = good.
Their terrorist = bad.
Now, the terrorist we are supporting now, may end up being bad terrorist down the road after we are done using them.
Now is Isreal really supporting Iran to fight the U.S., or was Isreal's arms destined for rebel groups that would help the fall of Iran?
Unfortunately, what most people don't realize, is terrorism is a war strategy. They are not pussies, they are not cowards. The U.S. was labled cowards when we fought the british because we would hide behind trees and shoot at their guys all lined up. We were cowards because we would not lineup (as much) in an open field. The so called terrorist are fighting a near picture perfect war when you look at the strategies available to them for succeeding against an enemy with nearly infinite power over theirs. The book "The Art of War" explains the strategies thoroughly...and this book was written about 2,300 years ago. These countries cannot beat a super power head on, so they resort to "terrorism" which was called gorilla war fare previously. War has taken on a new dimension that is not given much weight in "The Art of War" and that is instantaneous media coverage - and that most of this coverage is managed by pacifists. This weapon was realized during Vietnam, and will be used by all enemies to the U.S. And why not? It is the most effective weapon they have and it is free. The media is clueless that it has become a weapon of war and they are merely tools.
The "terrorist" title helps gain emotional support, when in fact, we need to employ nearly the same tactics. But, since we are operating under the claim of humanity, we cannot directly act as terrorists. So we covertly support the terrorist enemy of our enemy. This comes back to hurt the U.S. as the media finds out and reveals to the world that Isreal, Brittain, the U.S. and all the people claiming to be fighting terrorist are actaully supporting terrorists. There is a sound reasoning and strategy behind it, but the media weapon is too effective and destroys the effectiveness of these strategies as they have to be abandoned and denied. I do think the U.S. has to learn how to use the media weapon much more effectively as the media, not the actual war, is what is making support drop. Because we live in a microwave mentallity world of comunication, things that are progressing ahead of schedule, appear to be dragging on and on. Jerry Springer only lasted so long.
I personally support nearly all the global operations that exist as I believe that most of the groups we are fighting will not be happy until all the infidels are dead. They do not beleive our civilians, woman and children are innocent - they believe they are all infidels. Christianity had the same agenda, but they came out of the dark ages and grew up. I believe they are a threat that we cannot ignore. Why do we not destroy Isreal? We know they don't want to destroy us as part of their "grand scheme."
As Blown has pointed out...some of our strategies have flopped. Flopping is one thing, spinning it and or straight out denying it is just plain dumb. But unfortunately, there will not be any main stream media support (outside of Fox News and AM Talk radio) for the people who want to be proactive about our countries safety instead of reactive. Many people think that the reason they hate us is because we support the jews - I think that is ignorant. Many people think it is not fair that we force our way of life on people...and that is just silly. Liberty is everyone's personal wish.
Some people think we should just back out of all that crap, shut our borders, fix our own problems, and let the rest of the world sort it out or kill themselves off. I think that is unrealistic...but I can see the reasoning.
Blind support of political groups is also a weapon for our enemies, via the media. They show that we are just as crazy as them by defending fock ups or denying them or spinning them. This blind allegiance has the same appearance as terrorism and is why many republicans are referred to as Nazis (which is funny as Nazism/Communist is closer to democrats and on the other side of democrats....you have to go thru the democrat camp to the socialist camp to get to the communist camp).
The days of just blindly supporting are over due to the media. Our elected officials (especially republicans) have to realize it is the 21st century and learn how to strategize and implement the media weapon. Blind allegiance looks like everyone is drinking koolaid. Cover-ups are not effective damage control strategies.
It would also help if the republicans stopped selling their ass for $20 on the street corner like a 2 bit hooker to special interest. Or, atleast stop denying it.
The good news is that I am taking over the world. The bad news is, Blown will be in charge of the internet. Infact, it was not Al Gore who invented the internet (Al Gore would have been the Democrat's George Bush...they would be crapping their pants at the stupid things that come out of his mouth) Blown invented the Internet.
Nice post HM. I will never understand why people don’t get this. I am sure 15-20 years from now it will come out that we gave or aided someone now that will bite us in the ass in the future. You can’t win without this tactic. The frustrating part is the blame and lack of understanding for the reason behind it, not to mention we are not the only country to do this.
Humanity has no place in war, sad but true. War is a nasty business and with the media watching and reporting we will loose if we don’t learn how to control them. Personally I think we are playing way to nice and that will get many people killed from all sides. It’s like going into a fist fight with one hand tied behind your back.
I am a little hesitant about all the Iran and Syria talk. I would think we are even now having operations taking place in these two countries, but as far as all out frontal assault we need to take a breather first.
Just keep sending Sean Penn over there, that might drive a few of them insane. :wink:

[Steve 1]

The real problem is the BLAME AMERICA FIRST RAT MENTALITY now as for arming Iraq back in the 80's I personally find that laughable; Russia, China and like 20 others..
Why and what was the Iraq-Iran war I guess you would have to Blame Carter For the single worst traitorous act of foreign policy EVER done by a sitting President except Clinton and China!
The war on terror is asymmetrical now Add the Blessed Killing of civilians/infidels is all and fine with the Moon worshipers the same mentality killing Bin Laden will not mean a thing Period. An overnight solution IE Kerry’s secret plan (double secret) Forget it!!!!! All of which leads to this: We are in for a long deployment unless you want to fight them here.
Every Evil Has A DemocRat behind it!