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    I'm No Expert shaun's Avatar
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    On the search for push rods... i've been looking at manleys stuff but looks like their are 2 diffrent sizes 3/8 and 7/16. I read on mortecs site that 7/16's was only for racing, high lift, or high open spring pressures.. I've always heard the push rod is suppose to be the weak link for when theirs a problem so that the push rod hopfully bends before other things break. I dont want to beef them up too much and possible cause worse damage if there ever is a problem.... So the question is what are you guys running 3/8 or 7/16? Not sure what i pulled out of this motor, i'd have to go measure them lift is .640 and open # is 540
    Also, push rod lengths... do i need a measuring tool or can i just go with a standard length? again it's a 467, 990 heads, hyd roller cam, solid roller morel lifters, scorpion rockers...

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    Shaun,
    A good 3/8" pushrod will be fine. Get something at least .080" wall or thicker is best. I would get an adjustable pushrod to measure what you need exactly. As Info and others will tell you, geometry is VERY important to valvetrain life.
    Chris

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    ok, just want to make sure i'm buying the right ones from jegs site..
    Comp Cams Pushrod Length Checker, 7.800'' - 8.800''
    Part Number: 249-7703-1
    Pushrod Length Checker, 8.800'' - 9.800''
    Part Number: 249-7704-1
    I've never done, or seen this done before, my book doesnt seam to have the proceedure for doing this either. Any good sites with instructions, or maybe one of you could write up a lession?

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    Info seems to have this down pat. You may PM him for some simple instructions or you can go to the Lunati site for what I think is the best step by step instruction there is.
    Those are the correct pushrods checking tools.

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    GofastRacer
    This is a simple tool from Manley that works and it's easy to use, just slide it on the stud like a rocker arm, it should rest on the pushrod and the valve stem, if you have clearance on one or the other, use a feeler guage to determine lenght!..
    http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data...an-42133_w.jpg

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    EXTREMEBOATS
    Some one else that makes great push rods and fast if you need custom is "Smith Bro's". They addvertise in most performance mags. They have made several sets for me and i've been real happy with there performance.
    Mike

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    Fiat48
    This is a simple tool from Manley that works and it's easy to use, just slide it on the stud like a rocker arm, it should rest on the pushrod and the valve stem, if you have clearance on one or the other, use a feeler guage to determine lenght!..
    http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data...an-42133_w.jpg
    Yes..for his situation that checker would work. But I have seen certain situations in which the cam base circle, the long valves installed in some heads,etc make this checker not accurate for all situations. I just wanted to throw that in.

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    GoFastRacer, i saw those on jegs site when i was searching i was going to ask about it because it was so diffrent from the other push rod length tools. I ended up just buying the comp cams checker...

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    I have yet to see one of those checkers that worked properly. You have the correct length pushrod when, at exactly mif lift, your rocker c/l is at 90* to the valve stem. The c/l of the rocker is the line that goes through the center of the trunion and the center of the roller tip. When this line is at 90* to the valve stem, at mid lift, you're there. Weather or not you're on the center of the valve tip has nothing to do with proper pudhrod length.
    As far as checking for proper pushrod length, it's the last thing I do when building a motor, and they're the last thing I buy. You should have all of your final machining done, especially the decks. Heads need to be final surfaced, valve jobbed, valve to deck distances need to be correct, cam and lifters, etc. Valve lengths need to be checked, as well...that is, if you're going to this extent. If not, just be sure you're confident you've done all the machining you're going to do. Obviously, the more HP you're going after, and the more sophisticated your motor is, the more important all the details are.
    I'll use an old compresed head gasket the same thickness as the one I'm going to use, and install the heads, cam, #1 lifters, and upper timing gear. (the upper gear makes it easier to turn the cam, and keep it in place) I'll have no. 1 intake and exhaust valve installed, the guide plate and studs, (or shaft assy w/ #1 rockers ready to install) You don't need the crank in place for this. I'll have assembled the heads with #1 int and ex valves and light springs, and set a dial indicator on the retainer for the valve I'm checking. Make sure the indicator stem is parallel with the valve, not on an angle. This will insure a more accurate reading. Then I install the checking pushrod and rocker. I've made a taller, knurled adjuster nut for the rocker so it's easier to adjust. Then after setting the lash as I normally would, I run the cam through a cycle, recording the actual lift at the valve, then divide that number in half. Once I've done that, I'll again rotate the cam untill I get to that mid lift number, and look at the relationship between the rocker and valve. I get my face down real close to the head, and from the side of the rocker, I hold up a 2"X3" machinist's square, and I align the long edge with the centers of the roller tip, and the trunion. (There's usually a machining mark where the ends of those pieces are parted off, making it easy to find the exact center.) Then I'll move the square untill I have the short edge lined up visually with the edge of the valve stem. It takes a little patience, and a little dexterity, but you can see very accurately weather or not the line that passes through the two points on the rocker is at 90* to the valve stem, which is what you're looking for. I simply adjust the pushrod untill I get what I'm looking for. If you lengthen the pushrod, you'll have to loosen the rocker adjusting nut in order to keep the same lift number. If you shorten the pushrod, you'll have to tighten the adjuster. The important thing, is to always check to make sure you're still at that mid lift number when checking for square. The proceedure for shaft rockers is a little different since there's no adjuster on the fulcrum, and no stud. You use shims instead.
    When I get the desired geometry, I rotate teh cam several times, looking at everything in operation. If I'm satisfied, then I remove the pushrod, and measure it.
    I have, in the past, assembled the heads with the springs that I was going to run, and checked the geometry after the fact, and found no real difference. Besides, you're still only checking a static condition, and aren't going to be able to duplicate running flexation and deflections, so now I just accept what I come up with the checking springs. I know some guys that will add .010" just to anticipate the loads. I try and get the pushrods within .010" of the measured checker if I can.
    Also, the other end of the rocker is as important as the tip, and needs to be checked, as well, for the same reasons. At that same mid lift point, the pushrod should be at 90* to the portion of the rocker that the pushrod cup is in. There isn't a lot you can do about this one if it's wrong, though, except to try another rocker. Watch the relationship between the pushrod and rocker as you cycle the cam, and see what's going on there. Look for excessive angle, interfearance, etc. There are a lot of aftermarket, import POS rockers out there that aren't designed, they're just reverse engineered off an existing rocker, and they don't quite get the details correct, which can be problematic, at best. IMO, rockers aren't a place to "budget" your spending, and you usually get what you pay for. Even the "brand name" rockers have their issues. It's just best to check everything.
    Hope this helps.

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    GofastRacer
    GoFastRacer, i saw those on jegs site when i was searching i was going to ask about it because it was so diffrent from the other push rod length tools. I ended up just buying the comp cams checker...
    Nothing wrong with those!..

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