Grab yer guns boyz

[SmokinLowriderSS]

So you are saying that those conditions lead to the rise of Hitler?
If you actually look at 1930's Germany, yes, they did.
Hitler tried a millitary overthrow blown, failed, and then got himself voted into power. Quite a few of the traditional Nazis disliked his courting business and working his wiles politically, instead of by force, but it was successful. He was ELECTED blown, by promising to cure the economy trouble, employ people, and once again make Germany a proud country, a force to be recconed with, which, again, is exactly what he did.
He also blamed the local jews for all the trouble, promised to eliminate them from the species, and framed them for the Reichstag fire his own people set.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Here's a history lesson for you blown.
1920's, German unemployment finally fell below 1 million for the first time since WWI, adn the NSDAP's primary support, the lower middle class turned away from the extremists like the NSDAP (the proper abreviation of the NAZI party, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partie - National Socialist German Worker's Party)
Election of 1928, NSDAP polled 810,000 votes from the 31 MILLION cast, 2.6%, nearly nonexistent.
1929, wall street crash, American banks recalled loans that were helping to support the German economy, and crashed IT. Unemployment soon reached 5 million, the Communists and the Nazi's both thrived as people looked to more radical ways to solve the problems. German industrialists and conservatives much prefered the Nazis to the Comunists, and gave financial backing. The support of the German middle class returned as well.
1930 election, polled 6,371,000 votes, jumped from 12 seats in the Reichstag to 107.
1932 election, polled 13,732,779 votes, jumped from 107 seats in the Reichstag to 230.
Hitler became Chancelor withj the support of the conservative elite, industrialists and landowners, who thought they could controll him. They were very wrong.
He then started dismantling the democratic system almost immediately.
I GLEANED this blown, I wasn't there. :idea:
Dr Chris Mann, author of "SS-Totenkopf, The History of the 'Death's Head' Division 1940-45"

[Rexone]

History repeats and that's fact. People forget and become complacent. Impact of history lost over generations. That's a fact too.
It's obvious in our own country. Not too many younger people showing much concern for Hitler-like behavior abroad, or much concern about much of anything accept protesting our watered down PC reporter embedded little war in Iraq. I say little because it is compared to past wars. How quick people forget the sacrafices our forefathers have made as the price to remain free. Now it seems freedom is interpreted as a right instead of a privledge that requires maintenence and ongoing sacrafice to maintain. Freedom has never been a right. You only have to examine history to see this. Any nation or group can pen anything they want into a constitution. But then it must be defended over time against those outside the group or nation who wish otherwise, for validity or meaning.
Different look, different time, same shit, Iran, NK, Iraq, Sudan, Rwanda, Somalia, and elsewhere. Warlords wanting to exterminate their own and their neighbors and be king of the world mostly blamed on religeous differences or belief their race is the only one that deserves to survive... holy wars basically. It's been occuring since the beginning of time. Only now with nukes the stakes are higher. The western world better man up real soon and knock off the PC bullshit if it has any hope of long term survival.

[OKIE-JET]

History repeats and that's fact. People forget and become complacent. Impact of history lost over generations. That's a fact too.
It's obvious in our own country. Not too many younger people showing much concern for Hitler-like behavior abroad, or much concern about much of anything accept protesting our watered down PC reporter embedded little war in Iraq. I say little because it is compared to past wars. How quick people forget the sacrafices our forefathers have made as the price to remain free. Now it seems freedom is interpreted as a right instead of a privledge that requires maintenence and ongoing sacrafice to maintain. Freedom has never been a right. You only have to examine history to see this. Any nation or group can pen anything they want into a constitution. But then it must be defended over time against those outside the group or nation who wish otherwise, for validity or meaning.
Different look, different time, same shit, Iran, NK, Iraq, Sudan, Rwanda, Somalia, and elsewhere. Warlords wanting to exterminate their own and their neighbors and be king of the world mostly blamed on religeous differences or belief their race is the only one that deserves to survive... holy wars basically. It's been occuring since the beginning of time. Only now with nukes the stakes are higher. The western world better man up real soon and knock off the PC bullshit if it has any hope of long term survival.
Rex do you think we will? My faith in our leaders and mainstream America's decisions is a little on the shaky side. Have we, as a nation, become too soft minded and weak gutted to make sacrifices as did our forefathers?

[eliminatedsprinter]

History repeats and that's fact. People forget and become complacent. Impact of history lost over generations. That's a fact too.
It's obvious in our own country. Not too many younger people showing much concern for Hitler-like behavior abroad, or much concern about much of anything accept protesting our watered down PC reporter embedded little war in Iraq. I say little because it is compared to past wars. How quick people forget the sacrafices our forefathers have made as the price to remain free. Now it seems freedom is interpreted as a right instead of a privledge that requires maintenence and ongoing sacrafice to maintain. Freedom has never been a right. You only have to examine history to see this. Any nation or group can pen anything they want into a constitution. But then it must be defended over time against those outside the group or nation who wish otherwise, for validity or meaning.
Different look, different time, same shit, Iran, NK, Iraq, Sudan, Rwanda, Somalia, and elsewhere. Warlords wanting to exterminate their own and their neighbors and be king of the world mostly blamed on religeous differences or belief their race is the only one that deserves to survive... holy wars basically. It's been occuring since the beginning of time. Only now with nukes the stakes are higher. The western world better man up real soon and knock off the PC bullshit if it has any hope of long term survival.
My only disagreement with this is that basic freedom is absolutly a right. It is unforunate that it must be defended with blood, but it is indeed a right. It is sad that this right has been denied to so many for so long in so many places. Our privledge lies in the fact that we live in one of the relatively few places where this natural right is recognized as such and brave people (mostly young men) have sacrificed their lives to keep it a right. For this I am thankfull every day.

[Rexone]

Rex do you think we will? My faith in our leaders and mainstream America's decisions is a little on the shaky side. Have we, as a nation, become too soft minded and weak gutted to make sacrifices as did our forefathers?
I think we will. But only after a hard hit like a few cities nuked off the map by terrorists. A Pearl Harbor scenario except much larger. Evedently 911 wasn't large enough to get all of our leaders attention over about a month.
Hence, open borders continue, Iraq went from "shock and awe" to some PC watered down police / door to door military operation, etc, etc etc.
No balls = Trouble calls. We're going to pay a big price for allowing pussies to run this country into the ground.
And none of my disatisfaction is directed at our military. I'm sure they'd loved to have kicked ass and come home years ago. The weaponry exists to have done this. It's directed at our shining leaders in congress mainly, who insist on PC this PC that and a PC war effort.

[Rexone]

My only disagreement with this is that basic freedom is absolutly a right. It is unforunate that it must be defended with blood, but it is indeed a right. It is sad that this right has been denied to so many for so long in so many places. Our privledge lies in the fact that we live in one of the relatively few places where this natural right is recognized as such and brave people (mostly young men) have sacrificed their lives to keep it a right. For this I am thankfull every day.
My meaning possibly slightly mis-written is that our youth for a large part interprets freedom as freebie of life, a right in the sense no one will try to take it away. I was born with it, that's the way it is, party on mentality. Rather than a right that needs defense and maintenence from those who will extinguish it if allowed. Kind of like many see welfare as a right.
I don't even think they teach much history in school any longer of what things were like prior to WW1 and WW2 and what these massive wars were all about, who was involved, and why those involved were involved. Our colleges and atmosphere don't help imo either.
WW2 was a turning point and the entire world was in it balance. Had we lost our "right" of freedom would no longer exist. We'd be speaking some version of German or Japanese and non-whites would be dead. Hence my reference to privledge. A right only remains a right if it's defended successfully. For example the people of Iraq under Saddam had no rights. They were simply exterminated if they stepped out of line. Now at least they have a fighting chance for something. Not much but a little.
It's a shame because as I said, History repeats, unless you prevent it from doing so which we are not. imo we are actually inviting a repeat by our governments inaction in many areas.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Rex do you think we will? My faith in our leaders and mainstream America's decisions is a little on the shaky side. Have we, as a nation, become too soft minded and weak gutted to make sacrifices as did our forefathers?
I have my grave doubts, till something very dire, far more than 9/11/01 happens. Then, our problem will be to survive that first, before any ability to fix things.

[eliminatedsprinter]

My meaning possibly slightly mis-written is that our youth for a large part interprets freedom as freebie of life, a right in the sense no one will try to take it away. I was born with it, that's the way it is, party on mentality. Rather than a right that needs defense and maintenence from those who will extinguish it if allowed. Kind of like many see welfare as a right.
I don't even think they teach much history in school any longer of what things were like prior to WW1 and WW2 and what these massive wars were all about, who was involved, and why those involved were involved. Our colleges and atmosphere don't help imo either.
WW2 was a turning point and the entire world was in it balance. Had we lost our "right" of freedom would no longer exist. We'd be speaking some version of German or Japanese and non-whites would be dead. Hence my reference to privledge. A right only remains a right if it's defended successfully. For example the people of Iraq under Saddam had no rights. They were simply exterminated if they stepped out of line. Now at least they have a fighting chance for something. Not much but a little.
It's a shame because as I said, History repeats, unless you prevent it from doing so which we are not. imo we are actually inviting a repeat by our governments inaction in many areas.
Well said. Thanks
Most colleges still offer excellent courses in the history of the first part of the 20th century. Unfortunatly most students don't take them, unless they are a requirement. Most of the real nutjobs that teach far left scewed history are in the "Ethnic Studies" depts and, even though they would never publicly admit it, most academicians don't give much serious respect to those departmants.

[Poster X]

Ya'll are still on Earth? The planet Earth. Green, Near the moon. One of the four terrestrial planets. Sheesh. Y'all have a liberal under every rock. My daughter is a senior and knows all about world history... and a great deal of American history, [especially when it relates to war]. From the Revolutionary War.. right up to the war in Iraq. She's never cracked a book in her life, 'cept maybe Curious George on her own. Other than that, it comes from school. My God you're the most paranoid, finger pointing, hypocritical, lip flopping, egomaniacal, bunch of self serving know it all's since Archie Bunker.
Do carry on. Yer killin' me. lol