Once again no one is questiong the matter of pollution. And there is a lot being done if we study the differences between now and 30 years ago as far as measurable pollution in our environment. From what I can see everyone contributing to this thread agrees there is pollution and it needs to be addressed. What you seem to be frustrating many with is the point nothing is being done to better pollution control when that's not the case.
As far as the political issues and the divide down party lines, it is quite apparent that one side is taking the stance that nothing is being done and man is deliberately polluting. I think these 2 points are fallacy. I work in the industrial sector and I see everyday the strides in technology to eliminate pollution.
Why isn't the positive being reported by the media? Why does the media make big stories out of "old" closed down pollution sites being monitored and cleaned up rather than telling the story of modern sites using controls to operate cleanly thus dwelling on the bad things of the past that are not being practiced today? Why when the media talks about power plants do they show condenser units emitting giant clouds of wate vapor on a cool day letting an ignorant general public believe these are huge clouds of pollutants? Why does the media picture a mother and cub polar bear louging on a broken up iceflow insinuating it's a melting glacier? These are things and misrepresentations that bring political divide and give a false representation of the positive.
John don't take this the wrong way but your 2 questions and their purpose support what pisses off a lot of intelligent people, the resortation to trickery by means of insinuating a problem exists to motivate people to care and fix the problem rather than being honest and educating the public to live cleaner to fix the problem. Trusting people to be sincere and understanding that we need to better police our environment is the answer not the BS Al Gore and "Twinky" Moore spew in their 3rd rate movies. Division and resentment spawn from arrogance and falsehoods.
I'm far more impressed with an individual that rids his yard and garden of chemical fertilizers, herbicides, and insecticides than I am with someone driving a Prius or trading carbon offsets. This person does far more to improve the environment than the showy media hog in a high dollar alternative vehicle or farfetched scam that has minimal effect overthe long haul.
Read what people say and understand their intent without focusing on the namecalling and posturing. Until you can do that you just aren't understanding the real message that 99% of the contibution to this very thread favors a clean environment and personal care for the future. It's there if you will look.
Tex,
I have read what people in this thread have said. Some do discuss the pollution issue as if the give a damn about the enviorement and there are others who act is if this is all a big f'n joke. It seems that because I don't come from the far right, many of the people here have fun screwin' with me. This is fine. I happen to believe that there is a problem with what man pumps into the atmosphere. Not becuase al gore says so, but because simple common sense. Without science, I can state without doubt that air is cleaner than it was 30 and 40 years ago. We have come a long way in this regard, I can see it with my own eyes. There is no middle ground in this place. If you are anyplace slightly left of right, Smoking will spend 12 hours a day to prove you wrong. When someone doesn't have the time or desire to spend 13 hours to rebut some of his so called proof, he/she becomes a POS to the rest of his followers. I guess I just don't have the dedication and/or time needed to talk in here. As I have said in the past, whether or not you and I agree about things doesn't matter, as we seem to communicate like adults which is a good thing.
Take care Tex
Stop lying! You're the one following the party line.
You've had a chitload of stats and history showing that the current gw hysteria is just that yet you continue to worship at the temple of the Algore.
You even call facts BS. You're a left wing ideologe and can't see past the end of your nose.
I've asked you before to start a pollution thread if that's what you want to talk about but you can't even seem to be able to tell the difference between GW and pollution. Can you?
That's it, I'm lying and I'm a left wing ideologe who can't see past the end of my nose due to following leftist party lines. You're right
Does you ego feel bigger now. I hope so
Your real problem is you can't stay on topic or accept facts.
You twist the truth like all libs and march along following the party line.
Man made Global Warming is a joke, a sack of pure bullshit that you bought into and now worship as a new religion with the Algore as it's high priest. When we rufute your and his BS you lie and say we conservatives claim that air pollution is a joke.
Please refer to the Air Pollution thread for the Air Pollution debate. Thank You!
Your real problem is you can't stay on topic or accept facts.
You twist the truth like all libs and march along following the party line.
Man made Global Warming is a joke, a sack of pure bullshit that you bought into and now worship as a new religion with the Algore as it's high priest. When we rufute your and his BS you lie and say we conservatives claim that air pollution is a joke.
Please refer to the Air Pollution thread for the Air Pollution debate. Thank You!
Again you're right. You will always be right as you will never admit to anything else. I am a lying leftist lib with nothing esle to do except into this forum and lie about conservatives. There is no debate here, if your not far right then you are a lying leftist lib. Amazing that there's no in between.
Again, I hope your little ego has been inflated by putting a lying leftist in his place.
The funny thing is that come 2008, you and your party are f'n toast. Get your licks in while you can
The funny thing is that come 2008, you and your party are f'n toast. Get your licks in while you can
Better save up your money for the Democraty's 400 Billion dollar tax increase to trench the economy and Hillary to confiscate all the money from oil companies above their operating expenses.
Oh yea, and Canada or England health care too. 3 month wait to see a specialist, 6 month wait from a cancer diagnosis to find out WHAT CANCER and if it can be treated, etc., etc.
Wait, that might be a good thing. Shorten life expectancy and bring Social Security into line with fewer recipients. :idea:
Better save up your money for the Democraty's 400 Billion dollar tax increase to trench the economy and Hillary to confiscate all the money from oil companies above their operating expenses.
Oh yea, and Canada or England health care too. 3 month wait to see a specialist, 6 month wait from a cancer diagnosis to find out WHAT CANCER and if it can be treated, etc., etc.
Wait, that might be a good thing. Shorten life expectancy and bring Social Security into line with fewer recipients. :idea:
And dont forget to dig your fallout shelter, get some duct tape and stock up on ammo cuz the pinko commies are going to invade. Do you ever leave the house?
The fallout shelter isn't as stupid as you want it to sound blown because if the apeasers win the '08 election, so did Al-Queda, and Hammass, and Islamic Jihad, and all your other favorites, and you WILL see them here, in the US, again, with more explosives.
The fallout shelter isn't as stupid as you want it to sound blown because if the apeasers win the '08 election, so did Al-Queda, and Hammass, and Islamic Jihad, and all your other favorites, and you WILL see them here, in the US, again, with more explosives.
ho my gawd, the sky is falling, falling is the sky.
And what is your boy doing about the wave of ecomomic distruction coming from south of the boarder?? NOT A F UCKING THING. You blather about health care, shit they are getting all the free health care they can stand, on your dime. How long your boy been in office? and what has he done about it? let it get worse. Your carping is falling on deaf ears when we can see first hand what gdumbya is doing to this country, not what might happen.
John, (ULTRA) I'm going to say this from the bottom of the heart, with no sarcasm, and no personal insults.
You, from the first tiime you responded to one of my posts long ago, are the consumate passive-aggressive. You use inuendo, you use sarcasm, and you insult with the best of them, yet, you claim foul. You are as narrow-minded (not meant as an insult), and "stuck" on your own opinion being the ONLY right answer, and that anyone who challanges you, or disagrees with you, is wrong, and then you have plenty of your own "name calling" to follow. Unfortunately, you never seem to have any facts to back up your position, and your MO is to attack the messenger, instead of addressing the message. OVER and OVER again.
My opinion of party lines being a dividing factor in this country is shared by MILLIONS. The PRINCIPLES of the left have abandoned what this country was founded on, and what it stands for. That's a FACT. Yet, you disagree with that, so I'm whatever it is you called me. MILLIONS say I'm right. Millions also disagree, but I see what's happened for the last thirty years, and the cause, and effect. My "opinion" is based on FACTS as I see them, nothing more. Not anyone else's opinion, not anyone else's facts. You don't state facts with your opinions, you just express them, and then you battle with whoever disagrees with you. How are you any better than whoever you criticize here?
You are two faced, and you are a hypocrate. That's not name calling, it's an observation. You talk down to every single person here that calls you out on your facts (what few you present) and then you play "grownup" with Tex. In the arena of ideas, you have none. But you argue and name call, just like everyone else here.
You seem as phony and transparent as they come, and in that, you represent everything that has come to define the left, to the many of us who see it for what it is. You are aligning yourself with the same emotion based, lacking in fact, BS that is identifying the left today.
You're never wrong, even when proven beyond a doubt. Everyone is wrong, sometimes.
I'll take a step here, and after saying all that, I'll extend my hand, and apologise for the personal insults. That is childish, and uncalled for, BUT,
I won't change the way I view you and/or your attitude. You are not better than the rest of us, but I sincerely believe you think you are.
ho my gawd, the sky is falling, falling is the sky.
And what is your boy doing about the wave of ecomomic distruction coming from south of the boarder?? NOT A F UCKING THING. You blather about health care, shit they are getting all the free health care they can stand, on your dime. How long your boy been in office? and what has he done about it? let it get worse. Your carping is falling on deaf ears when we can see first hand what gdumbya is doing to this country, not what might happen.You, on the other hand, Blown, are just a stupid mother focker.
Do you remember 9-11? Do you think that was just an accident? Do you think it's just luck that we haven't been hit again?
I'm with ya about Bush and his border policy, but you just might want to find a place to hide come '08 if the dems get the presidency. The fockin Islamo's are just wringing their hands in anticipation, and if you don't get that, you truely are a dumbass. Healthcare will be the last thing you'll have to worry about if they get their way.
I have a question, an honest question about algore's movie. Is it FREE to get in to see it? Or is there a charge?.........And if there is a fee, where does every penny of the money go?..........Hmmmmmm, maybe Mr Gore aint as shallow as we all thought..........MP
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