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Thread: Rights and Freedom vs Public Safety

  1. #1
    MADDOG355
    I thought we should have a new thread on this so here goes.
    It was mentioned in the MB thread that ODB II has been abused.
    I am shure alot of the general public is not aware that OBD II records all systems in a 30 sec loop until a event, Such as airbag deployment.
    G.M. Claimed this was for corporate use to protect them lawsuits, (people claiming faulty airbags or some other system falure caused a accedent). Yet the factory rep I spoke with a few years ago made it clear this info was available to LEO.

  2. #2
    Mattman
    They are called Collision Data Recorders (CDR's) and are in certain make vehicles. They help us determine certain issues with air bag deployment, acceleration and deceleration of the vehicle and so on. This can be critical in reconstructing a collision especially when you have no statements because your driver is dead.

  3. #3
    wsuwrhr
    OBDII has already been abused, in my opinion, by convicting several defendants based on OBDII's recovered data leading up the the event in question.
    It has been well documented before OBDII came into being that the potential for spying on private property(your car) would be possible. Of course the naysayers maintain that this is a good thing.
    Shockwavebob "Nobody cares about their rights until they need them"
    BTW...I was well aware of OBDII's capabilities.
    Brian
    I thought we should have a new thread on this so here goes.
    It was mentioned in the MB thread that ODB II has been abused.
    I am shure alot of the general public is not aware that OBD II records all systems in a 30 sec loop until a event, Such as airbag deployment.
    G.M. Claimed this was for corporate use to protect them lawsuits, (people claiming faulty airbags or some other system falure caused a accedent). Yet the factory rep I spoke with a few years ago made it clear this info was available to LEO.

  4. #4
    Desert68
    Way before OBD-II, accident reconstruction or even public safety come, as stated in the subject title, rights and freedoms. The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I live in the Phoenix area and we have photo radar for speeding. If I get caught by a live cop doing 55 in a 40 MPH zone, I get arrested for criminal speeding and my car is impounded. And now you can't even smoke in bars - you can't make that choice for your own, privately owned bar. They crushed cars in Kalifornia because the guys were street racing. What's next? Burn your house down if you do something illegal at your home? The erosion of rights and freedoms isn't even subtle any more. All you need to do is line up behind one of three categories - public health, public safety or national security. Each and every adult in this country should read the three documents I mentioned above at least once every couple years. Here's my new law - every elected official should be required to have the three docs memorized ...

  5. #5
    Xlration Marine
    I am unfamiliar with the abuses of OBDII, but it sounds like something that I would be against.
    Not if it saves your back side. It's kinda like the little black box in an air craft. One of the things it tells is the speed. So if you are dong the speed limmit, and you are the only one in the car. You get hit from behind with three people in that car. They were doing 20 miles over the speed limmit. They say you cut them off. You say how could I, I was doing the speed limmit and they were hauling azz. 3 to 1 you would loose. With the little black box, they would be the liars and get the tickets and your little behind would be saved. Now if you were in the car speeding, then well yes you wouldn't like the little black box.

  6. #6
    Xlration Marine
    Yo 68, mr desert. Um the spellcheck police will give you a ticket for the "K" in California.

  7. #7
    Xlration Marine
    I honestly could care less in that scenario. That's why I have insurance. I'd much rather have my rights. Personal liberties are not about what they can do for you, that's for the one way people that post on every other thread, only in it for themselves. I, as a general rule of thumb, don't break the law. I don't "need" my rights very often. But, that doesn't mean I'm ready to give them away because it doesn't suit my purpose.
    And, in your scenario, unreliable third party testimony from occupants of the other vehicle are about as good a witness as if my dog could testify. I'll take my chances.
    And this is why the word "Neaderthal" will never be pulled out of the dictionary.

  8. #8
    MADDOG355
    Sorry, Guess I should have stated my feelings clearly.
    I am against big brother, the safty police, or any likeness.
    I don't like the idea that if I typ the wrong word, Some 3 letter unit will put me on a watch list.
    Ammonia nitrate has gotten so hard to get alot of farmers have went to natural or organic fertilizers, From what I have seen these do not produce as good as ammonia. This means smaller crops = less money for farmers which will lead to higher prices at the store.
    The boating industry is under the gun for emissions, Yet check this out.
    http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps...707150351/1002
    Did I mention I am not a fan of the gov???

  9. #9
    MADDOG355
    Not if it saves your back side. It's kinda like the little black box in an air craft. One of the things it tells is the speed. So if you are dong the speed limmit, and you are the only one in the car. You get hit from behind with three people in that car. They were doing 20 miles over the speed limmit. They say you cut them off. You say how could I, I was doing the speed limmit and they were hauling azz. 3 to 1 you would loose. With the little black box, they would be the liars and get the tickets and your little behind would be saved. Now if you were in the car speeding, then well yes you wouldn't like the little black box.
    In TN if you are hit from behind it is the person that hit you that is at fault. "If you have time to get straight, they have time to stop!"

  10. #10
    MADDOG355
    ShockwaveBob
    What branch of the service were you in?

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