The Great Global Warming Swindle

[Old Texan]

As I recall, in your words, Tex, talking to me is like talking to a 3 years old.
Take care
So be it.
Good of you come back and confirm. Back to your time out or wherever your current pout takes you. Your decision.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

It is very hard to seperate out the right vs left aspects of this and other "environmental issues". Unfortunatly one of the main goals of all forms of "leftist" ideology is to gain as much collective/government control over business and industry as they can. Years ago the left learned that the environmental movement could be useful in this regard. It is a sad truth that the political left has largely usurped the environmental movement and is using it to pursue the above stated goal. This has naturally drawn strong opposition from the political right. As a result all people who are distrustful of fascist/socialist/communist style collectivism are forced to look at all "environmental issues" with a high index of suspicion.
The environment shouldn't be an issue of right or left. As I stated before it should be a matter of right and wrong. In general terms Democrats are far from communists, and I believe your view of the left is more representative of the extreme left. You speak of distrust. How many Americans trust the current Right wing administration? Not very many. IMO, the entire political arena both Right and Left are corrupt and undeserving of my trust. If you can say that you have trust in the current Right Wing Republican government, I would be surprised.
The reality should be that one political party should not influence what is good or bad for the environment, on a personal level. When it becomes environment vs. business, all of the issues from both sides must be given equal weight without political motivation.
If you want to clean up both sides of this issue, we must change the campaign process and eliminate the contributions from lobbyists. We need to designate a system in which each candidate receives equal campaign funds. The second most important thing that must go are earmarks.
I believe that until these two issues are remedied, we will have corrupt dishonest BS government from who ever is in power.
So be it.
Good of you come back and confirm. Back to your time out or wherever your current pout takes you. Your decision.
Exactly my point.
Have fun

[eliminatedsprinter]

The environment shouldn't be an issue of right or left. As I stated before it should be a matter of right and wrong. In general terms Democrats are far from communists, and I believe your view of the left is more representative of the extreme left.
Of course it SHOULD be a matter of right and wrong. All public policy SHOULD be a matter of right or wrong. The sad fact is, it's almost never is that simple. In addition, individualists, like myself, often have different views of right and wrong than collectivists on some issues.
What general terms are you referring to re Dems? All of the Democratic party leaders and all of the Democrats currently running for President are less than a whisker away from being straight up Socialists. Back when VP Gore was running for president he was actually to the left of that year's Socialist Party candidate on several issues (ie guns and evironmental regulation).
ON THE OTHER HAND,,,,,,
I am a registered Democrat.:jawdrop:
Go figure.
In short, not all Democrats are far left wingnuts, but the parties leadership is.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

Of course it SHOULD be a matter of right and wrong. All public policy SHOULD be a matter of right or wrong. The sad fact is, it's almost never is that simple. In addition, individualists, like myself, often have different views of right and wrong than collectivists on some issues.
What general terms are you referring to re Dems? All of the Democratic party leaders and all of the Democrats currently running for President are less than a whisker away from being straight up Socialists. Back when VP Gore was running for president he was actually to the left of that year's Socialist Party candidate on several issues (ie guns and evironmental regulation).
ON THE OTHER HAND,,,,,,
I am a registered Democrat.:jawdrop:
Go figure.
In short, not all Democrats are far left wingnuts, but the parties leadership is.
Just curious if CA has changed the laws with regard to Primary Elections. Seems it used to be that a Dem could not vote Republican in a CA primary, wth regard to President

[Moneypitt]

OK, so we do all those "green" things.......That means Central/South America can destroy another 100 sq miles of rain forest, and everything remains the same ratio........It will not help to clean up our little corner of the world as long as 95% of the planet continues to do things as usual. How many other states/countries have banned the painting of boats with 2 stage paint?..Car's emissions, florocarbons???.........When all this is said and done the import/export ratio will be even further off kilter because those importing countries don't have to worry about polution.........Ah ha, maybe it is a plot to wipe out American factories by passing so many PANIC laws we can no longer manufacture anything...........Do you thing GM has to be Green friendly in their Mexican plants??.....Hell no...........MP

[Old Texan]

OK, so we do all those "green" things.......That means Central/South America can destroy another 100 sq miles of rain forest, and everything remains the same ratio........It will not help to clean up our little corner of the world as long as 95% of the planet continues to do things as usual. How many other states/countries have banned the painting of boats with 2 stage paint?..Car's emissions, florocarbons???.........When all this is said and done the import/export ratio will be even further off kilter because those importing countries don't have to worry about polution.........Ah ha, maybe it is a plot to wipe out American factories by passing so many PANIC laws we can no longer manufacture anything...........Do you thing GM has to be Green friendly in their Mexican plants??.....Hell no...........MP
Kyoto Treaty:idea: Kinda sounds like part of why the "Greenies" keep trying to cram it down our throat. Wonder how long it would take a Democrat to sign it?

[centerhill condor]

kyoto was the only sizeable Japanese city virtually untouched by the air campaign...

[eliminatedsprinter]

Just curious if CA has changed the laws with regard to Primary Elections. Seems it used to be that a Dem could not vote Republican in a CA primary, wth regard to President
We passed a voter initiative for open primaries, but it was challenged in court by the parties.
I understand we still can, but it wont be counted twards the primary vote by the party (a wasted vote). I honestly don't remember if my last primary ballot had names from both parties or just dems on it. I intend to stay a dem until after 2008 (so I can vote agianst Hillery twice). After that, I may re-register as "decline to state". Although I may keep my current registration until I retire, because my current polling place is right next to my work and it is very easy for me to vote during lunch.
As it is, I only vote for dems in primaries or local elections when I am forced to choose between 2 of them. I strongly disagree with the Democratic party platform as it is almost as bad as the Socialist, Communist, and Green party platforms, esp here in Ca.

[ULTRA26 # 1]

We passed a voter initiative for open primaries, but it was challenged in court by the parties.
I understand we still can, but it wont be counted twards the primary vote by the party (a wasted vote). I honestly don't remember if my last primary ballot had names from both parties or just dems on it. I intend to stay a dem until after 2008 (so I can vote agianst Hillery twice). After that, I may re-register as "decline to state". Although I may keep my current registration until I retire, because my current polling place is right next to my work and it is very easy for me to vote during lunch.
As it is, I only vote for dems in primaries or local elections when I am forced to choose between 2 of them. I strongly disagree with the Democratic party platform as it is almost as bad as the Socialist, Communist, and Green party platforms, esp here in Ca.
I'm sorry that your view the Democratic platform as anything near Communism. It's a sad state when Americans view other Americans as near communists. It's also sad that I view the Moral Christian Right in an equally bad light. A happy medium between the left and the right is how a view a successful and United America. United not divided

[centerhill condor]

I'm sorry that your view the Democratic platform as anything near Communism. It's a sad state when Americans view other Americans as near communists. It's also sad that I view the Moral Christian Right in an equally bad light. A happy medium between the left and the right is how a view a successful and United America. United not divided
To stay on topic...I've found this little link to be helpful.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20873
God forbid a bunch of Christians run this country...we just wouldn't do well with prayer in public school, mothers being married to the father of their children, kids that respect their elders, respect for the RESPONSIBILITIES not just the rights.
It wouldn't be soooo bad if you would keep all that California crap in Cali..but noooo we have to have atheists running schools, english as a second language, perpetually reduced standards so everyone can play, and gimme gimme gimme!
There's no happy medium. There's right and wrong in this world and a man either does one or the other. Right now the gov't is susbsidizing (enabling) bad decisions made by investors regarding high rates of return/risks...with your money. Were'd they learn that...?
Dems are commies. You would do well to read Mao's little red book. Spells out the dem programs for our country...in language that can easily be understood. The dems will only be stopped after they bankrupt the country morally, financially, and ethically.
Good for investigating insurance frauds...enjoy the runnup in business.
CC