Reply With QuoteMight want to try a GM high torgue starter. They work real well. They come on 99 and higher trucks and can be picked up fairly reasonable. Bought mine off e-bay for $50. Its on a 454 10 to 1 motor.
Jerry, I did not describe a high-torque starter in that last post. If you put the two starters together side by side you would see that the high torque main part of the case is longer (has a loger armature inside even though the cases are the same overall length) the brushes on the high torque are right near the end of the case whereas the std starter the brushes are about 2 inches from the end.
Might want to try a GM high torgue starter. They work real well. They come on 99 and higher trucks and can be picked up fairly reasonable. Bought mine off e-bay for $50. Its on a 454 10 to 1 motor.
I second a lot of what Gnarley said. A couple of other things. I once had a certain casting # BBC(can't rememberit!!) that is only to be used with what GM called "iron nose cone" starters. When using a standard starter with this style block, shimming can be up to 1/8" or more to get proper meshing of the ring and starter gear. Not shimming it properly will result in breaking the starter, even a high quality one. Another thing. NOT ALL STARTERS ARE CREATED EQUAL!! I tried to do the "save a buck or two" thing with my most recent project, and it only costs you four bucks when you take that approach. Shell out the money for a quality starter that is rated for higher compression engine, and built well. You get what you pay for, and sometimes not even. I bought a $110 "mini starter" that looked like a good one. My mild BBC daycruiser motor had it on the verge of catching fire after maybe 60 seconds of total cranking time. Luckily I caught the glowing red wires because I had the flooring out and the boat was on the trailer. Junk starters are dangerous in a boat. I then purchased a $159.00 fully clockable, really nice starter from Kragen. Best part...it has a lifetime warranty!! I'll never buy another one if it ever goes bad. So which was the better deal, $110 or $159? I for some reason continue to learn this lesson the hard way, but I think I'm finally catching on.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Costello:
I then purchased a $159.00 fully clockable, really nice starter from Kragen. Best part...it has a lifetime warranty!!
Hey Costello, be careful even with that starter! If you bought it from Kragen it's not Marine rated probably as you know & if you ever get boarded & they want to be real jerks they might just take a look where you don't want & it will cost even more! I bought one of their standard lifetime starters for my BBC Jimmy, it took 2 stores & like 15 boxes of starters to look at before 1 of them turned out to be a factory high torque. I have had no trouble with it in 4 years now!
gnarley, shirkey, costello..... Thanks for the info. I didn't get to pull the motor last night, but i will tonight after work. My plan is to pull the motor, pull the starter, and buy one of the high dollar starters like costello was saying. Then start shimming it until it works. It frikin better work.
Thanks Again
Jerry
aka 75 Elim
I have run into a couple of things on a standard GM type starter that might help. We always check the gear mesh...the way I do that is to use a paper clip which is approx .060 in dia. You want to measure between the gear of the starter and the flywheel gear...(basically the crest of the starter gear and the root of the flywheel gear)...hope I didn't loose you there, but once you see it it will make sense...I hope...lol. I always pull the solenoid off the starter so that I can engage the started gear easily. I have ran into starters that we actually had to mill a little off the housing to get the proper clearence and some we had to shim. We always used the GM bolts that have the knurl on them ...those center the started to the bolt holes. Even with 10:1 compression a standard started should work with no problem...we ran them with 13:1 and never had too many problems. We have since switched to the Tilton Super Starters and 16 volt battery on our Pro Gasser...that thing starts so fast that it will scare you...lol. Another way to tell if you have a high tork starter is to look at the soleniod and there should be a spacer between where the wires come out of the starter housing and bolt to the soleniod...if the wires bolt directly to the soleniod then it is not a high tork unit....I know this applies to the old starts and I am not sure if it applies to the new style starters. I think that GM changes styles around 1995 to the new smaller high torque style. Good luck and I hope this makes sense.
Bernie
75 Elim, I ran TCI starters on my Pro Gas Flat, Compression was near 15 to 1 and as 545 said they started so fast it would scare you and that was with 40 to 45 degrees timing in the engine, they are relatively inexpensive to purchase and are completely rebuildable, the last one I had came off of a hydro that sunk and my starter guy rebuilt it, no problems, but be sure to match the teeth to the flexplate, as this sound's like it could be your problem.
75_Elim,
I had starter problems some years back. I threw the stock GM starter in the trash and pick up an RB Performance mega torque marine starter. Ron is the owner and they are located in Parker, Az. 520-669-6411.
Jim Brock carries this starter he is in Pacoima 818-890-1867.
Good Luck,
Brent
I use to Smoke my battery cables!!!! I use a set of old Welding CABLES!!!! http://www.plauder-smilies.com/happy/xyxthumbs.gif
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I bought a high torque GM starter with an aluminum nose instead of the steel (makes it lighter) and it seems to work great http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif My motor fired up perfectly and really quiet too. The only trouble I had was getting my new logs cooled down. I think I f'd up my water lines when I had the motor out this morning. I need to play around with the flow to get it running cool so I can break-in my new cam. But for now I'm frikin happy that it's running strong again and I can't wait to get it on the water.
Thanks to all of you that gave tips. I did talk with Jim Brock and I was going to buy a starter from him this morning but his shop wasn't open when I went over there. I ended up at PAW and they had what I needed and it was only $70.
Jerry
aka 75 Elim
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